You did a good job on them, that's for sure, mate. 

Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 20, 2019, 10:43:28 PM

For me it almost boils down to "are you a modeller or do you just play trains?"

Thanks to 'shaky hands' it seems I just play trains. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

At 85 I'm still fiddling with kits and hacking RTR, as I model the Southern in mid 1930s (pre Bulleid and malashite) there is very little available RTR so kits and hacks are necessary, plus I've now been doing it in N gauge for 45 years so one could say it's habit forming.

Admittedly the time taken per kit is longer than of yore  and with increasing degrees of magnification.

As far as RTR goes for 1930s SR we have the Dapol Schools, Terrier and M7, Farish N class 2-6-0, Union Mills T9 4-4-0,  700 0-6-0 and 0395 0-6-0 Dapol Maunsell coaches, recent additions from Farish, C class 0-6-0 and "Birdcage" coach set (both ran on the Eastern section, I model Western section);
No 4-6-0s RTR,  there were 6 classes of SR 4-6-0, Lord Nelson, H15, N15 (King Arthur), N15X, S15 & T14,  I so far have 10 4-6-0s of 4 classes - no T14 no N15X, one N1 class 2-6-0 hacked from Farish N, looking for suitable chassis for U & U1 2-6-0s; there were 9 other 4-4-0 classes I have one K10 so far,  I have one  0-4-2 tender class A12, I have a T1 class 0-4-4T in the works  - hacked M7, no O2,

The Bulleid pacifics, Q1 and coaches are from 1940s so no use to me.

If you want a Great Western Mogul then a white metal kit is about the only way of getting one these days. An R-t-R version just never seems to be on anyone's radar. Don't know why but ho hum 

Quote from: Newportnobby on September 21, 2019, 12:54:39 PM

Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 20, 2019, 10:43:28 PM

For me it almost boils down to "are you a modeller or do you just play trains?"

Thanks to 'shaky hands' it seems I just play trains. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

It's good to know our place, I suppose.

I think it's demeaning to refer to those of us with limited skills - time/ resources as merely "Playing trains"

Otherwise what do people do when the kits are completed??

I'm a modeller and I also like to play with trains.

Dont we model railways TOO play trains?

I cant wait for the day I get to play!!!

My first kits were langley white metal built in the late 80's. I felt like I had joined the company of 'proper' railway modellers when I first started running it. I still run them to this day even though some 'better' RTR versions have been introduced. Even though I thought that I had joined a unique band of modellers I always consider it playing trains when I hit the control knob. Why can't we buy just the loco chassis any more to build kits?

Elmo

I think @NeMo misunderstood my post as it wasn't meant to be funny.
Such elitist attitudes by some infuriate me. Unless you're building something to stick in a cabinet aren't we all just playing trains?
Some don't have the inclination to scratchbuild and some don't have the ability. Suck it up and don't be so bloody condescending.

Quote from: Newportnobby on September 21, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
I think @NeMo misunderstood my post as it wasn't meant to be funny.
Such elitist attitudes by some infuriate me. Unless you're building something to stick in a cabinet aren't we all just playing trains?
Some don't have the inclination to scratchbuild and some don't have the ability. Suck it up and don't be so bloody condescending.

Eh? I was agreeing with you, and the laugh was meant to be more of a wry smile for what seemed to me a rather dry put-down. Certainly wasn't laughing at you -- and assumed it was self-evident this forum wouldn't have a button designed expressly for people to laugh condescendingly at the person who made that comment!

Anyway, I've made the point elsewhere many times, but the thing I like about this hobby is that it has many different areas for people to specialise in: not just modelmaking, but also scenics, operations, electronics, research, layout design, etc. -- all are perfectly valid parts of the hobby.

But with that said, I do personally tend to have the most respect for those modellers who are able to kit-build, hack, or otherwise create something that doesn't exist in ready to run form. I wouldn't go so far as to call them an 'elite' within the hobby, but they certainly represent something more aspirational than the usual whingeing about "why-oh-why hasn't Dapol/Farish produced this obscure/useful prototype that I really need for my layout".

Cheers, NeMo

Well said @NeMo, maybe I should have used a smiley after my comment. 

Quote from: NeMo on September 21, 2019, 09:32:25 PM

Quote from: Newportnobby on September 21, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
I think @NeMo misunderstood my post as it wasn't meant to be funny.
Such elitist attitudes by some infuriate me. Unless you're building something to stick in a cabinet aren't we all just playing trains?
Some don't have the inclination to scratchbuild and some don't have the ability. Suck it up and don't be so bloody condescending.

Eh? I was agreeing with you, and the laugh was meant to be more of a wry smile for what seemed to me a rather dry put-down.

@NeMo Thank you. Maybe the use of the 'agree' rating could have carried that feeling to me.
It was always an issue I had with the promulgation of such 'superiority' by a certain Mr,. Hedges and will not stand for in others.

Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 21, 2019, 09:59:38 PM
Well said @NeMo, maybe I should have used a smiley after my comment. 

@Dorsetmike Correct, although maybe best not said at all.

White-metal and other kits are what the individual modeller makes of them... From basic super-glued together the bits as they come to super-detailed miniature masterpieces with many added extras.

Certainly many are compromised to some degree to fit the "least inaccurate" R-T-R chassis available at the time they were designed, though again many modellers have shown imagination by adapting and using more modern chassis to produce more authentic models.

Question, do Graham Farish sell chassis as separate in their parts lists? I'm guessing folks don't buy an entire model and chuck the body to complete a Langley model. I have a soft spot for white metal kits, unheard of in the States for the most part since the 1960s.  I dabbled with a few in  TT3 several years ago.