For freight trains it's always a good idea to think "What would the people living in the village or town need from the outside world and what might they send to market?"
You may have decided the village/town is mainly farming, in which case you'll need a couple of cattle vans for cows/pigs/sheep. People move into/out of the area so maybe a container wagon will help. The local builder will need long lengths of wood so create some as a load for a 5 or 7 plank wagon. If central heating hasn't taken hold in the average home then coal might still be required etc etc
A lot depends on how much the local roads are used rather than the railways so this will also help you choose road vehicles for your layout.

Beer. 

Hello to all, again

Can you help with any sources in the web to figure out the exact types of coaches, consisted passengers express trains in Western Region, like the "Cornishman" and "Cornish Rivera Express" been told above, in 60's? Each type - first, second class, composite, restaurant, vestibule, parcel's - along with it's model type (Collet, Mk1...) and including of other region coaches, like Stanier and so. Also interesting "Night Rivera" with sleeping first/second...
I collect some period fotos of this named express, but I can just figure out that coaches had different livery - maroon and two-tone in the same train in the same time. But I can't define the types and other info from it

Mk1s by the 1960s for the named expresses. Colletts would be very much relegated to secondary trains like branchline trains. My understanding is that Mk1s coupled easily to Staniers and Gresley coaches, but needed an adapter to work with Colletts, so mixing those types of coaches with Mk1s would be uncommon. They had different types of gangway connections.

On a parcels train pretty much anything goes! Feel free to jumble up full brake Colletts and Mk1s alongside XP-rated 4-wheel vans. Putting a full brake Collett at the end of a milk train is good, too.

So far as liveries go, custard and cream was gone on the WR by about 1960, having been replaced by chocolate and cream from the mid 50s onwards. Southern Region green, and of course maroon, were also common. As well as these, from 1965 onwards you see blue and grey.

Train compositions are difficult to generalise and a good idea is to find a photo (or a written report) and go with that. But I think a brake of some sort, a couple of second class coaches, and at least one composite first/second or entirely first class coach is a good starting point for modellers. Longer distance trains would add a buffet or restaurant coach as demand required, and extra second and first class coaches as well.

I don't believe Stanier vehicles were common on the WR except perhaps on inter-regionals, but there were some Gresley vehicles allocated to the WR; I believe, one or two restaurant vehicles at least, and possibly some parcels stock too. Others will know for sure.

Cheers, NeMo

Quote from: wooster on October 17, 2016, 08:25:37 PM
Hello to all, again

Can you help with any sources in the web to figure out the exact types of coaches, consisted passengers express trains in Western Region, like the "Cornishman" and "Cornish Rivera Express" been told above, in 60's? Each type - first, second class, composite, restaurant, vestibule, parcel's - along with it's model type (Collet, Mk1...) and including of other region coaches, like Stanier and so. Also interesting "Night Rivera" with sleeping first/second...
I collect some period fotos of this named express, but I can just figure out that coaches had different livery - maroon and two-tone in the same train in the same time. But I can't define the types and other info from it

Thank you NeMo! It seems to me, for period I'd choose I HAVE to buy both Collett and Mk1, first for the locals, next for express and can't "cheat" and spend less money and use one type for different train ... For the beginning of 60s Mk1 too modern for the branches and Collett too old for the mainline service

Well, the more interesting!

Also I compared the different manufacturers of freigts wagons and vans and find that Graham Farish making more accurate and detailed models, isn't it? So, the brake van from GraFa 377-525E N SCALE 20 TON BRAKE VAN BR BAUXITE (EARLY) looks good, and a Peco NR28B, noted above in the post - a little bit rustic... the same can be said for other types of wagons too...
Does GraFa runs good or they looking better than running?

Quote from: wooster on October 17, 2016, 09:07:38 PM

Also I compared the different manufacturers of freigts wagons and vans and find that Graham Farish making more accurate and detailed models, isn't it? So, the brake van from GraFa 377-525E N SCALE 20 TON BRAKE VAN BR BAUXITE (EARLY) looks good, and a Peco NR28B, noted above in the post - a little bit rustic... the same can be said for other types of wagons too...
Does GraFa runs good or they looking better than running?

Farish wagons run just fine, and I agree in many cases they look better than the old Peco types which have been around for years but, having just checked on the Rails of Sheffield site, the Peco NR28B is £8.70 and the Farish 377-525E is £15.95. The difference in looks/running qualities doesn't warrant that sort of price differential to me.
(Mind you, when I bought my Peco trucks brand new they were less than £3.00 each!!!)

Yes, of course I saw the prices for both manufacturers, but think Farish worth every penny

One more question about the Mk1 for Cornwall express trains of the early 60's - find a pair of Restaurant coaches, RFO, from Farish, for bargain prices - one is 374-807 BR crimson & cream and 374-810 BR chocolate & cream, WR region. What livery will be correct for the express trains of early 60's?
Thanks for help!

In the early 1960s you could see both liveries, it took time to repaint all the coaches.  I have seen a picture from the 1960s of a Western Region express train made up of mostly maroon coaches but with at least one each of chocolate & cream and crimson & cream coaches as well.

Thank you! And what is different between Restaurant Cars types RFO and RU? As I can see by windows first have only tables and seats, RU have different type of windows, look like it have a kitchen compartment. If it is so, this mean train must have both types in it?

RFO = First Class seating without kitchen so would only run in company with a kitchen vehicle. RU = unclassed with kitchen. Restaurant cars like these were generally confined to prestige express services.

I agree with pretty much everything so far and have just a few detail points to add.
1. Milk trains were unique in that they had a coach type brake vehicle rather than the toad used for ordinary freight (toad = GWR brake van) and this was often not at the end of the train. Whilst freight trains had brake vans right through to the 1980s, milk trains had lost their brake vans by 1969. I don't know what year they actually dropped from inclusion in milk trains but photos of milk trains in 1967 and earlier have brakes and from 1969 they don't.
2. Clay trains were often covered in white clay dust. Hoods were not introduced until the early 1970s. Before then they were flat tarpaulins. I have never seen a photo of a green diesel or steam loco pulling clay hoods.
3. Chocolate and cream BR mk1 coaches would be a good choice for late 1950s and early 1960s named expresses. The all chocolate and cream sets were broken up in the early 1960s. Chocolate and cream coaches seem to have completely gone by the end of 1964 - this is based on photos I have seen but some may have lasted longer.
4. Crimson and cream coaches could be seen in whole rakes up to around 1958. They seemed to have been repainted quite quickly and by around 1961 only the odd one crimson and cream coach remained to be seen occasionally in a rake of maroons.
5. The class 22s started with no yellow warning panel in the late 1950s. Yellow warning panels were introduced quite quickly from early 1962 and every loco seemed to have one by early 1964.
6. The headcodes do have a meaning. The first two digits"1A", "6M" etc signify the type of train and direction. 1 = express passenger, 2= local passenger, and the others refer to types of freight. The letter indicates direction - A=up train, B= down train, V = train finishing on Western Region but startin in a different region. The good news is that on Wst Country branches the headcodes didn't seem to get changed and a reasonable percentage of photos of class 22s in the West Country show them to have incorrect headcodes for the train they are pulling. Most, maybe all, long distance mainline trains appear to have correct headcodes.

Thank you for the answers. So, is it correct to add RU to RFO, or, the RFO coach must assist by some sort of special car with only kitchen?
Also, is it correct to have only RU coach in express named trains with First class coaches in it, or the RFO mUst be in train with FK coaches? (RFO for FK and RU for others and working as a kitchen for RFO)

Quote from: wooster on October 28, 2016, 10:02:51 PM
RFO, from Farish, for bargain prices - one is 374-807 BR crimson & cream and 374-810 BR chocolate & cream, WR region. What livery will be correct for the express trains of early 60's?

Basically, crimson and cream for steam and green diesels without warning panels; chocolate and cream (or maroon) for green diesels with warning panels.

Why? Because by the time warning panels were widely applied, circa 1961/1962, the crimson and cream livery was extremely uncommon, if not gone completely, on the Western Region.

Cheers, NeMo

So, NeMo, the chocolate and cream is later livery then crimson and cream? I thought the chocolate and cream was old GWR livery and crimson and cream are later BR's... I mistake...