Quote from: MikeDunn on February 12, 2016, 09:42:37 AM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 02:09:49 AM
3.4p yield per share, if bought at say 20p/share, would be a healthy  17% return

Only to the company - you wouldn't see any return as Hornby aren't paying any dividends ...

Which was the reason for my previous question on the following line to the quoted bit  "are they paying out all their tiny profits,"

Thanks for the clarification, dont think I'll be investing for a while then

and they hit just over 301p this time back in 2007 ! How the mighty are fallen

Now that's a coincidence, time is 14:18 the markets up by 2.17% and Hornby by 2.88%!

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
Now that's a coincidence, time is 14:18 the markets up by 2.17% and Hornby by 2.88%!

You still don't appear to have understood the Markets and individuality of Hornby's Share price.

As pointed out, the FTSE 100 does not include Hornby. So it's not really coincedental, because what you appear to be saying is that the two are coupled  together, which they aren't they're two different things entirely.

Quote from: Nik96 on February 12, 2016, 02:32:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
Now that's a coincidence, time is 14:18 the markets up by 2.17% and Hornby by 2.88%!

You still don't appear to have understood the Markets and individuality of Hornby's Share price.

As pointed out, the FTSE 100 does not include Hornby. So it's not really coincedental, because what you appear to be saying is that the two are coupled  together, which they aren't they're two different things entirely.

Would you have been happier if Mr Sprue had said "it is amusingly interesting that " instead of "a coincidence" ? 

But you must admit that the performance of the FTSE is a broad brush measure of investor sentiment at the time or during the day, which will be part of the view of Hornby or any other individual share ?

In any case a single data point is hardly sufficient to show a sigma5 correlation

time for
mahatmacoat 

Quote from: Nik96 on February 12, 2016, 02:32:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
Now that's a coincidence, time is 14:18 the markets up by 2.17% and Hornby by 2.88%!

You still don't appear to have understood the Markets and individuality of Hornby's Share price.

As pointed out, the FTSE 100 does not include Hornby. So it's not really coincedental, because what you appear to be saying is that the two are coupled  together, which they aren't they're two different things entirely.

Agreed the FTSE is not directly connected with Hornby but what I was trying to point out that the movement of markets can and do affect share prices, the movement of the FTSE 100 is a pretty good indicator of the current financial climate. Yes Hornby's shares have fallen in value due to their financial situation but in addition to this the markets are not helping their share value either.

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 02:53:47 PM

But you must admit that the performance of the FTSE is a broad brush measure of investor sentiment at the time or during the day, which will be part of the view of Hornby or any other individual share ?

time for
mahatmacoat 

Thank you at last someone understands where I am coming from!

Time to exit this thread! 

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 02:58:23 PM

Quote from: Nik96 on February 12, 2016, 02:32:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
Now that's a coincidence, time is 14:18 the markets up by 2.17% and Hornby by 2.88%!

You still don't appear to have understood the Markets and individuality of Hornby's Share price.

As pointed out, the FTSE 100 does not include Hornby. So it's not really coincedental, because what you appear to be saying is that the two are coupled  together, which they aren't they're two different things entirely.

Agreed the FTSE is not directly connected with Hornby but what I was trying to point out that the movement of markets can and do affect share prices, the movement of the FTSE 100 is a pretty good indicator of the current financial climate. Yes Hornby's shares have fallen in value due to their financial situation but in addition to this the markets are not helping their share value either.

But the market movement is caused by share price. Investors are buying shares which affects the market. So the movement of the market is after the change in shares. It can't show you much more than a trend in Investors.

Once again, Hornby's Share price crashed, it is not declining in line with the markets.

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:04:39 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 02:53:47 PM

But you must admit that the performance of the FTSE is a broad brush measure of investor sentiment at the time or during the day, which will be part of the view of Hornby or any other individual share ?

time for
mahatmacoat 

Thank you at last someone understands where I am coming from!

Time to exit this thread! 

but dont leave just yet, I'm still looking for my cloakroom ticket   

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:12:29 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:04:39 PM
Time to exit this thread! 

but dont leave just yet, I'm still looking for my cloakroom ticket   

Ok, found it,
see you over on the Deutsche Bank thread,,,
now there is something to worry about, not this trifling little hornby thing !

Quote from: Nik96 on February 12, 2016, 03:07:15 PM
But the market movement is caused by share price. Investors are buying shares which affects the market. So the movement of the market is after the change in shares. It can't show you much more than a trend in Investors.

Exactly - and the current trend in the FTSE and other major Exchanges is for the investors to panic & sell soft assets while moving into hard assets like gold.

Comparing Hornby against the All AIM, the price is bumbling along today, following the market.  Comparing for a longer period, however ... and it is evident that Hornby has fallen off a cliff while the AIM in general has had a very slow decline (could be described as marginal).  Comparing to the FTSE (which is daft as Hornby is in AIM after all ... but some people still seem unaware of this !) shows Hornby under-performing today - and the same cliff seen in the AIM when longer periods are examined.

QuoteOnce again, Hornby's Share price crashed, it is not declining in line with the markets.

Precisely.  All visible if people bother to check the graphs ...

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:28:47 PM

Ok, found it,
see you over on the Deutsche Bank thread,,,
now there is something to worry about, not this trifling little hornby thing !

LOL.... Ok my eldest son is a VP at Credit Suisse I'll see you there! 

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:38:58 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:28:47 PM

Ok, found it,
see you over on the Deutsche Bank thread,,,
now there is something to worry about, not this trifling little hornby thing !

LOL.... Ok my eldest son is a VP at Credit Suisse I'll see you there! 

You're a telepath !
I considered writing "Deutsche Bank/Credit Suisse" but edited it just before sending on the grounds that one worry at a time is enough 

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:45:40 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:38:58 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:28:47 PM

Ok, found it,
see you over on the Deutsche Bank thread,,,
now there is something to worry about, not this trifling little hornby thing !

LOL.... Ok my eldest son is a VP at Credit Suisse I'll see you there! 

You're a telepath !
I considered writing "Deutsche Bank/Credit Suisse" but edited it just before sending on the grounds that one worry at a time is enough 

That's it you've done it now!

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:57:14 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:45:40 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:38:58 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:28:47 PM

Ok, found it,
see you over on the Deutsche Bank thread,,,
now there is something to worry about, not this trifling little hornby thing !

LOL.... Ok my eldest son is a VP at Credit Suisse I'll see you there! 

You're a telepath !
I considered writing "Deutsche Bank/Credit Suisse" but edited it just before sending on the grounds that one worry at a time is enough 

That's it you've done it now!

Ooops ! 

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 04:13:08 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:57:14 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:45:40 PM

Quote from: Mr Sprue on February 12, 2016, 03:38:58 PM

Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 12, 2016, 03:28:47 PM

Ok, found it,
see you over on the Deutsche Bank thread,,,
now there is something to worry about, not this trifling little hornby thing !

LOL.... Ok my eldest son is a VP at Credit Suisse I'll see you there! 

You're a telepath !
I considered writing "Deutsche Bank/Credit Suisse" but edited it just before sending on the grounds that one worry at a time is enough 

That's it you've done it now!

Ooops !