All

I am looking into the possibility of modelling the container flats used on WHL for reels of paper and for aluminium ingots.
Have looked at a few photos and captions they appear to be standard freightliner flats with buffers and it's the container which is flatbed instead of enclosed.
Are the Farish flats a good place to start?

Dave

Hi Dave

Have you got any links to pictures?

Cheers, Mike

Eighteenth picture down:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/countymarchsummit/interesting/

I have a similar print myself, same loco and location, in ghastly weather!

Thanks SD35 - the bogies are wrong for those to be FFAs/FGAs - they look like KFAs which were certainly used for a brief period on paper and aluminium.  Your best option is a 3D print from Shapeways: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/mhmodels with a custom built bed.  The flow didn't last that long on flats as it was switched to things like BDAs IIRC.

Cheers, Mike

Hi ScottishLocos,

The pic linked does look like a KFA, probably with some kind of 60' or 2 x 30' Flat Rack container base on it. If you can get a good image of the wagon with the load I wouldn't mind looking at producing the base for you to go with the KFA.

Cheers, Mark.

I'd guess 2 x 30' as I'm sure I watched a DVD which included a clip of the paper rolls being loaded and sheeted, and IIRC there was a bulkhead halfway down the wagon, so I'd guess actually two bulkheads back to back.

I'll try to sort out which DVD it was on and let you know.

alan

Guys

Thanks for all the replies found some pics

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryfreightliner

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/tiphookfreightliner

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/tiphookfreightliner

Also i think the bulkhead is part of the flatbed container

Dave

PS the DVD could be Railfreight today Scottish region

Hi Dave

I'm pretty sure the first link is wrong as they are FFA/FGAs.

The second link includes the KFAs I referred to. If you search for 7d54 on Flickr you can see some pictures of the train (though they don't show the flats in great detail).

Cheers, Mike

this one looks very much like the one in the DVD but without the bulkheads that had

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/tiphookfreightliner/h38dd58ad#h38dd58ad

result 

DVD is by Telerail and is Rail Freight Today 3 -Scotland

I've watched the paper mill section and am even more baffled 

wagon being loaded APPEARS to be a container flat, with flat deck and the raised beam at the end for buffers, BUT in another clip a shunter is shown moving just one wagon, and clips of the wagons on trains show one on one train and two on another.

my memory was wrong, in that the bulkheads are only in the middle of the wagons, not at the ends so the flatracks, if that is what they are, only have a bulkhead at one end. they also seem to have cradles on the floor to hold the paper rolls which are loaded two on the bottom layer and one above.

hope this is of some help.

I got the Rail Freight Today boxed set in the Works some years ago, with parts 1-6 on three double sided discs.

regards

alan

Alan

many thanks i have this DVD too maybe have a look later may post on  one the forums for the 4ft 8 gauge railway    see if anybody there can ID which wagons they are also not sure if these mainly ran in pairs a typical formation appears to be 2 x paper 2 x ingots 2 x slurry tanks

Dave

Dave

I think you need to be more specific about what time period you are interested in!

At various times all of the following have conveyed aluminium on the WHL:

FFA/FGA
KFA
BDA
BMA

Cheers, Mike