Er, before you shout too loudly 37025 perhaps you should check the numbers of the vehicles modelled?
Although HSTs generally did not have buffers fitted there were few sets converted by BR ER to carry buffing gear and most of these finished up in the Virgin fleet after the Kings X Edinburgh electrification.
There are some still around in the Cross Country fleet.

Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on June 17, 2014, 08:21:56 PM
Er, before you shout too loudly 37025 perhaps you should check the numbers of the vehicles modelled?
Although HSTs generally did not have buffers fitted there were few sets converted by BR ER to carry buffing gear and most of these finished up in the Virgin fleet after the Kings X Edinburgh electrification.
There are some still around in the Cross Country fleet.

fine, but my point is that some of these have Intercity 125 lettering, are noted as loco hauled, and have buffers.

and Hattons, and RoS, have both stated these are incorrect.

so while I take on board your comment re ones converted to have buffing gear, IMHO that is not relevant to the original complaint.

all the following have the 125 lettering, and are listed as 'Intercity Executive 125'

1st class loco hauled 11011
1st class loco hauled 11025
2nd class loco hauled 12029
2nd class loco hauled 12061
2nd class loco hauled 12128

perhaps you could advise us if these were correctly lettered, if they are part of the converted batch you refer to.

as an aside, Hattons seem to have made changes to the listings for these, but that does not explain the 125 lettering.

cheers

alan

Sorry then Alan, you know the models better than me. But all I'm saying is that some HSTs did run in BR Blue on the ER with buffers.
However I accept that the models may be inaccurate.

didn't know that.

were they used with locos and DVTs, with the 'HST' wiring being used to transmit the control signals from the DVT to loco ?

there were other anomalies, I saw a photo of a class 43 power car with a mk.3 sleeper attached  best guess would be that was a cl43 that had had normal buffing gear fitted for some reason.

cheers

alan

So is this a case of them continuing to get it wrong rather than a new mistake?

Seems to me that Dapol are manufacturing some of their poorer models without changing the tooling, simply to re-coup earlier investment. I'd love a 2MT tank and a 9F, but given I've had several of each before, all of which have been returned, I won't be tempted again, unless and until they improve the chassis and other (well documented) errors.

Cheers
Dave

I want to buy some Mk3s in early 80s livery but the Dapol ones seem to have the door open light on the otuside, albeit painted the same colour as the coach.   Can some advise when these lights and door locking were added to Mk3 coaches?

Hi
The numbers quoted are certainly the same as on the coaches I bought from Rails and "converted" (rubbed of the 125, moved the 1st Class symbol and painted out the door light) to Loco hauled stock.

All covered in an earlier thread, see below
Have Dapol really repeated the error, surely not, must be old or returned stock.

Ray

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Rails of Sheffield have an interesting  set of 5 Dapol Intercity Executive Mk3 Loco Hauled Coaches avaiable to pre order at £12= each.

Price reduction is due to a Livery Error, they are:
   First # 11011  & 11025
  Second # 12009, 12061 & 12128

The wording on the side is InterCity 125 whilst the colours appear to be Intercity of some sort.

If colours are correct, how easy would it to be to remove the wording or maybe just the 125? Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.

This topic getting more complicated than JFK
assassination stories.

Unless JFK was into HST trains.

Lost the thread about X posts back !

Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on June 17, 2014, 08:50:55 PM
Sorry then Alan, you know the models better than me. But all I'm saying is that some HSTs did run in BR Blue on the ER with buffers.
However I accept that the models may be inaccurate.

Only the power cars had buffing gear fitted, and to the leading end of the power car only. These were converted due to the late arrival of the mk4 DVT fleet and operated with the then new class 91, not as the HST. When the DVTs were delivered this released the buffered power cars back into the HST fleet. At no point did the HST mk3 coaches receive buffers (indeed, the mk4 stock does not have them either). The only HST mk3 coaches to carry buffers were those of the prototype set.

Quote from: Zunnan on June 18, 2014, 12:09:43 AM

Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on June 17, 2014, 08:50:55 PM
Sorry then Alan, you know the models better than me. But all I'm saying is that some HSTs did run in BR Blue on the ER with buffers.
However I accept that the models may be inaccurate.

Only the power cars had buffing gear fitted, and to the leading end of the power car only. These were converted due to the late arrival of the mk4 DVT fleet and operated with the then new class 91, not as the HST. When the DVTs were delivered this released the buffered power cars back into the HST fleet. At no point did the HST mk3 coaches receive buffers (indeed, the mk4 stock does not have them either). The only HST mk3 coaches to carry buffers were those of the prototype set.

HST trailer car stock doesn't need buffing gear as they are 'rigid' push/pull train formations coupled with Alliance Buckeye couplers. Loco hauled MK3 coaches DO have buffers though!(and a lot of hauled MK3 stock had them removed when they were converted to HST coaches a few years ago)
The buffered HST power cars were used as DVT's and were unpowered, but they weren't around in blue/grey days, they were liveried in InterCity executive livery.

Chris

Quote from: Zakalwe on June 16, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
acquired some of the cheap ones from rails to convert into the NMT, much cheaper than expected so in a way I applaud this error

Likewise, I'm happy! I'll be totally honest I'd not have noticed if it wasn't pointed out!

Just a daft question...

Weren't a few TGS coaches fitted with buffers as well as the buffered power cars for use with the class 91 loco's due to the Mk4 coaches not being ready in time? I believe that they would have been executive or swallow livery though and definitely not blue/grey.

Cheers
Mark

EDIT: some TGS coaches were buffer fitted at one end..

http://www.125group.org.uk/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=7

Cheers
Mark