I realise they were a complete failure but I like the shape of them...!

so just say I wanted to build a 1970 based micro-layout for a clayton to run on, any ideas for location / theme???

what rolling stock or other traction might also appear?

this era is before I was born.... but I quite like the 70s early blue...



tim

What kind of Clayton did you have in mind ?

sorry mean a class 17

tim

Around 1970, it would want to be a scrap yard. Late 1960s they were still doing some stuff mostly in Scotland - branch line workings, bits on the Borders railway etc.

After thant D8521 and D8598 were used as a mobile power plant to pull test trains, but lasted until 1978 and then got scrapped

D8568 survived in industrial use
1972 Hemelite of Harpenden
(http://www.nickey-line.co.uk/Hemelite22.html)
1977 Ribble Cement (with its own new livery)
1985 Preservation

and since preservation they've also changed the fuel pumps and fixed one of the major remaining problems the design had.

ok, so possibly a late 60s Scottish branch line then...


cheers for the link! i esp. like The Locomotive Club of Great Britain St Albans Branch charter with people riding in the wagons!


tim

I seem to remember them working on trip jobs out of Carlisle Yard down the Cumbrian Coast and on the Settle/Carlisle route. My memory is fading but I am also sure I saw them in the Preston area as well. The Metro-Vick Co-Bos were the other successful type (depends on your point of view but I love both of them) working in the Furness area at the time. There were of course class 25, 26, 27, 40, 45, 46 and 47 in the Carlisle area at the time as well as many steam types.

Ron

They worked the millerhill-loanhead-roslin coal trains 64-69ish.

Tim

May i suggest a small/micro layout based on a small steelworks. There were a few rail served works in the 60's and early 70's when the Class 17 Clatons were around. Especially in and around the Motherwell/Glasgow area.

These works were for finishing or specialist steels they made steel into tubes, pipes, bars, rods etc.
Inbound traffic would be steel billets and possibly scrap steel coal or oil for the burners.
Outgoing would be steel tubes or finished steels.

Class 24, 25, 26, 27 and 40 would all be seen at this time
Wagons would be bogie bolsters for the steel 16 ton mineral wagons for coal and scrap and TTA's for oil.

Claytons also worked short passenger trains so a small halt for the workers could be added to the layout if want passenger services a couple of maroon mk1's would suit.

Do a google search for Imperial tubeworks or the Whifflet area

Kind Regards

Dave

In the early '60s I remember the Class 17s on inter-works transfers from Clydesdale Works ( Mossend ) ... tubes to Imperial Works ( Airdrie ) and ingots to Calder Works ( Coatbridge ). Returns were, I think, empties plus scrap from Imperial and tubes plus scrap from Calder.

IIRC, they frequently had a Diesel Brake Tender attached, mostly between the loco and the train, but occasionally it was being propelled!

Alex

I'd go for a cement works myself. There is a nicely unique prototype for it afterall, as well as layouts such as Cement Quay to draw inspiration from. Structures are obtainable in kit form and are readily scratch built too to form quite a simple yet imposing scene in a small space, and I'd seriously consider using Finetrax to give the permanent way a distinctly rundown second hand look about it to distinguish company metals from BR metals.

Those gorgeous Presflos wouldn't be the only traffic, there is also chalk, limestone and (sometimes) additives like clay, slag, flyash etc. Add in cameos from the big railway to supply and remove trains to the works and it can get quite interesting.

Get the book British Railways Scottish Region Colour Album No.1 (ISBN0-9530821-1-3). There are a good few photos of Class 17 Claytons (many running in pairs, interestingly), in both BR green and blue liveries.

And as the title says, the photos are all in colour.

Cheers,
Neil

Didn't the research centre  in Derby have one? I used to work there and seem to remember there being a clayton there at one stage, this would have been between 1970 & 1975. It would be a great model with all sorts of unusual locos including H.S.T.  & A.P.T. prototypes. There was eves a maglev track!

Have just checked. 8512 was at tech centre early 70's then went to B.R.E.L. Glasgow. B.R.E.L. Glasgow also had at least one other until 1974 so a part of that works would make a suitable micro layout with other diesels of the period.

hi

cheers for the excellent ideas!

I've changed my mind now though... i can't really justify the expense... if I got one clayton then I'd need another, then a 20, 24 / 25 / 26 / 27 etc. in green or pre tops blue...   it is a good idea for a small layout though I think!  maybe one day / after a lottery win!

for now though i think maybe i'll settle for that book on the Scottish region and a trip to the chinnor and princes risborough railway to see the real thing...

I'm trying to be disciplined and stick to collecting 1980s / 90s era...  I also collect a bit of 1990s - modern day french ho, and so I can't afford to go mad with a third era to collect!!!


tim

Quote from: bluedepot on May 04, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
hi

cheers for the excellent ideas!

I've changed my mind now though... i can't really justify the expense... if I got one clayton then I'd need another, then a 20, 24 / 25 / 26 / 27 etc. in green or pre tops blue...   it is a good idea for a small layout though I think!  maybe one day / after a lottery win!

for now though i think maybe i'll settle for that book on the Scottish region and a trip to the chinnor and princes risborough railway to see the real thing...

I'm trying to be disciplined and stick to collecting 1980s / 90s era...  I also collect a bit of 1990s - modern day french ho, and so I can't afford to go mad with a third era to collect!!!


tim

If you buy that book, you'll change your mind back again.

Especially when you see it's also full of Class 20, 24, 25, 26, 27s.....

Neil