No need to apologise Martin @port perran , it would be very boring if we all liked the same thing! But it is interesting how music often draws different emotions and reactions from individual listeners, much like other art forms.

Tim

Quote from: Newportnobby on Yesterday at 10:28:13 PM

Quote from: Moonglum on Yesterday at 09:28:14 PMI give up... I bet Mick @Newportnobby likes it!

I did, but prefer the version on Seconds Out with 2 drummers instead of 1½

@port perran
Maybe this will chime more with you........

Sorry Mick @Newportnobby it's a  again to that although it is, as you say, a bit "chimey".

And sorry Tim @Moonglum, I was a little too harsh and flippant in being dismissive of your live track so I offer my apologies.

I'm sure Genesis are/were a superb band but none of their work really strikes a chord with me I'm afraid.

British N Gaugers are a bit morose.

This strikes me as great news!!

Personally I thought it was an excellent set of releases, Bachmann showing commitment to the scale. Even if a 37/7 is not what you are after, it's clear many other 37 variants are going to follow.

Appreciate I am new to the hobby so only just starting to build my collection, but the fact my wishlist from releases from over the last 18 months is very long suggests to me Bachmann are doing something right. I get that people who have been in the hobby far longer than me will have less gaps to fill, but I do feel Bachmann get a hard deal sometimes.

Quote from: jpendle on Yesterday at 10:33:33 PMI'm not sure that CL37's count as "modern" these days 

Quite amazing that some of them have now operated as long with private operators as with British Rail in all its forms.

I think the tooling they've done would have allowed them to do 601 in ROG livery. Admittedly that's now 501 in British steel blue, but a little surprised they've overlooked it. Also somewhat happy as it's the one Mercig did for me!

The Bachmann chassis for the diesels were the big initial improvement I think, although still with terrible gears and while the BO-BO chassis was great they messed up the pickups on the others quite badly.

Seemed to take the Dapol 14xx and 73 to kick them up into actually fixing the look a bit.

My Minitrix 47 is still a better runner than anything I've had out of Bachmann or Dapol and it's running on dirty track is far better because of the weight and design.

Quote from: Cols on Yesterday at 11:33:57 PM... ex-Poole/via China/Bachmann Prairie tank, but the only improvement that I could see was the new finer profile wheels

Whilst production of the Poole tooling in China did tighten up tolerances and finishes I always felt the finer flanges just made all the wheels look too small, especially front bogies    

I'd already abandoned British N by then, though I did buy a Dapol 14xx and autocoach as it was cute and my example is quite controllable.  I wasn't impressed by their 45xx but did like the 73.  I've not been impressed with other Dapol steamers that have come my way - nice finish but indifferent running.  To be honest it wasn't until I got hold of a Bachmann Tornado that I started to come round to the idea that British N was finally starting to catch up with European brands. Not enough to lure me away from Fleischmann and Minitrix etc.  though.

Good to see the sound version, but nothing for me, just have to wait and see what other 37 liveries they come out with. ROG ones would be good.

@Newportnobby: My original Dapol locos (the Auto-tank, and the two Small Prairies) would also  disappear over the horizon like scalded cats! However, they have calmed down, but it has taken nearly 25 years and a good Gaugemaster controller to achieve this state. I gave the Auto-tank to my son who is building a Western Region branchline terminus, but I still run the two Small Prairies on our Area Group layout and they perform well. Admittedly there's some wheel-slip when starting with any load greater than a B-Set or nine or ten goods wagons - but I have no need for them to be pulling any greater loads - my two Sonic Large Prairies will do that! I can also get the Dapol Prairies to run at not very much more than a scale walking-pace, but I rather think that it's result of over twenty years of "running-in"! One thing - these two Dapol locos are hardly ever oiled, and when they are, the oil is applied very sparingly via a 000 brush.

I did once own an ex-Poole/via China/Bachmann Prairie tank, but the only improvement that I could see was the new finer profile wheels, and it ran well - though, to me, it was still the ancient Poole horror with that abortion of a safety valve casing atop the boiler, with the wrong driving wheel spacing and wrong diameter wheels, and lacking in many details: I suppose that the 21st Century generation of N-Gauge locos has rather spoilt my view of what's gone before!