Please corect me if I'm wrong, but I am under the impression that Dapol inherited the cardan shaft design concept from Ixion when Dapol took on the Manor. I have an Ixion Manor and for smoothness and quietness it is far far better than the Dapol tender locos I have. It goes round 9" radius curves too. As has been pointed out previously I do suspect Dapol 'cost engineered' the whole power train design concept downwards.

Quote from: Railbank on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 08:50:30 PMNobody said that the model wasn't good.

As to if they will sell out, or following the usual 15% initial discount period they will end up in the bargain bin in the new year, then that's my opinion. Time will tell.

Currently there are numerous 12t wagons being sold off following on from many 16t minerals of which I have bought up many.

According to the Bachmann website the cattle wagons won't even arrive until December/January so the 15% period won't be up until March/April. That initial restricted period is intended to level the "playing field" so that the big box-shifters don't undercut the smaller retailers for the launch of new products.

However those of us with longer memories recall that some years ago before that restriction was imposed, the likes of Hattons very often discounted by 25% - 30% right from first release relying on volume of sales for their margin, so what may these days be regarded as "bargain bin" prices, very often happened from the outset where the big "box shifters" were concerned back then.

Don't get me wrong, I have no crystal ball and wouldn't care to predict how well the cattle wagons will sell, but they haven't been run for a while and they are new liveries so I would think they'll probably do OK.

As to there being a lot of wagons on the inventory at Barwell, just looking at what they have available in N, including those just announced but not yet in stock, they are showing a total of 166 items currently which actually, given the overall size of their N portfolio and tooling suite is to me surprisingly few.

Regards

Roy

Quote from: trkilliman on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 07:18:54 PMDapol have dropped their controversial cardan shaft. ... ... ... (I wonder who was responsible for the cardan shaft at Dapol?)

Quote from: trkilliman on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 07:18:54 PMI paid two deposits with D.J. for Kings.

The very same DJ was Product Designer at Dapol through most of that period...
It was amusing that as soon as he parted ways with dapol, some of his most vocal supporters slated the very designs he was responsible for!

Theres nothing inherently wrong with the principle of the motor in the tender with a cardan shaft driving the loco wheels - it's the flavoured layout for 2mm finescale locos; just that to make it so locos would go around train-set corners, Dapols design had to have sufficient 'slop' in it that with rough handling the shafts were liable to pop out of the sockets.

Nobody said that the model wasn't good.

As to if they will sell out, or following the usual 15% initial discount period they will end up in the bargain bin in the new year, then that's my opinion. Time will tell.

Currently there are numerous 12t wagons being sold off following on from many 16t minerals of which I have bought up many.

Quote from: Bigmac on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 06:15:48 PMRe the C Class: Maybe there was a tie up between Bachman and the Bluebell, sponsorship perhaps, otherwise it was a strange choice for n gauge. Was it a good seller ?

The C Class was part of their OO range, I don't think one needs to look any further than that for the reason it then became part of the Farish range along with the SECR "Birdcage" coaches. The loco is exquisite and included features never seen in a British outline 0-6-0 tender loco up to that point such as Next 18 socket and speaker. The ones in the intricate SE&CR livery sold out pretty quickly and there is nothing to suggest the loco was in anything but a success, with the likes of me (with no interest in matters "Southern") buying one just because it is such a lovely model, mine now being fitted with a sound chip.

As @thebrighton rightly points out, the fact there has recently been a second run including a "Collectors club" special and this time including a sound fitted option points to the first batch being popular otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

Roy

I paid two deposits with D.J. for Kings.

Paying by credit card I had the deposits repaid in full. I know others were not so lucky in getting their money back, if they paid by a different way.

I think the most likely to release a King would be Farish.

Dapol have dropped their controversial cardan shaft. I imagine many will be keen to see/try their Mogul and Manor with the new mechanisms. (I wonder who was responsible for the cardan shaft at Dapol?) A Grange with their new mechanism could be next from them?

Sonic could surprise us with a King. I understand their owner once worked for Bachmann, and designed the latest incarnation of the Coronation/Duchess loco.

Any of them may/or may not be working on a King in the background.

You dirty man. Wash your hands next time.

Quote from: Bigmac on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 06:15:48 PMRe the C Class: Maybe there was a tie up between Bachman and the Bluebell, sponsorship perhaps, otherwise it was a strange choice for n gauge. Was it a good seller ?

Well they released a second run so I would say yes.

Quote from: martyn on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 03:12:30 PMTo go back to @Dorsetmike OP; the SR has no 4-6-0s, which it relied on for much of its existence for  passenger, and a lesser extent, mixed traffic and goods services. And if the SECR C class was thought viable, why not an SR 4-6-0?

Don't forget that in rtr, with the demise of UM, the LNER only now has two models, the B17 and B1; the latter were only multiplied after WW2, and most were built by BR.

@Bigmac

Sorry, the humour went over my head....

Martyn

Re the C Class: Maybe there was a tie up between Bachman and the Bluebell, sponsorship perhaps, otherwise it was a strange choice for n gauge. Was it a good seller ?

Quote from: Railbank on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 03:59:20 PMDitto cattle wagons destined for the bargains bin and a very long sales period.

Why do you say that? The Peco one has been around and selling for long enough and the Farish one is a decent model on the correct wheelbase chassis. Cattle wagons were a staple traffic on railways right into the 60s and they were also used for other things like beer in barrels too. There hasn't (as far as I am aware) been a production run of the Farish model for a while.