Thanks folks. That means it would fit with a few cm spare 

Quote from: woodbury22uk on Yesterday at 08:08:12 PM

Quote from: njee20 on Yesterday at 07:56:16 PMYep, I remember mine being 2.5m, but never needed to know to the mm. How accurate do you need? There's a bit of slip in the couplings/bogies, so it shortens a bit when pushed.

And being Kato you can push 19 cars even round curves and at suicidal speeds without derailment!

My ex would push me round the bend at each opportunity

Quote from: njee20 on Yesterday at 05:32:59 PMI fundamentally do not believe that price is the barrier to entry.

This isn't a cool hobby.

With the greatest respect, unless you are privy to the data that was used to draw the observations made in the report that this thread is discussing, I don't think you can make a substantial argument for either of those beliefs. Young people are returning to traditional hobbies including models railways, and while it's never going to be as popular as gaming and such, there is emerging demand according to that report, and that demand appears to sometimes extend beyond what is currently available. Meaning that there is opportunity for manufacturers to carve out new market segments to serve. That's what the report induces from the data. The exact nature of this demand is not detailed and makes for interesting discussion.

The focus on low cost control and DCC attracting younger buyers would indicate strongly that lower prices are a draw - but just cutting prices alone would not be enough to drive continued growth in this segment. There's also suggestion that the younger market connects with model railways in different ways to previous generations, perhaps due to different constraints of time, space and hobby budgets. So a manufacturer looking to increase revenue from that direction would need to consider that.

So while it isn't explicit that price is a barrier, there's strong evidence that more affordable products are attractive to this market, which implies that they are more price sensitive than established segments, but still willing to spend.

Ultimately it's up to you if you choose to dismiss the findings of the report based on your own beliefs. I'm just presenting them because I find them interesting.

I can see why that appeals to Martin and Tim, but I'll stick with the ELP one, thanks
In the meantime I came across this heartwrencher - end credit music from the film "3000 years of longing"

Quote from: Moonglum on Yesterday at 08:52:29 PMWell, some recent interesting musical posts. Sweet surprised me once when they walked into the pub I was having a quiet drink with Miss Moonglum - sorry not really my thing @kusojiji .

Ningen Isu - hmmm not bad... @EtchedPixels .

Yes, Yes agreed @Newportnobby , but post TfTO "Relayer was pretty good as was "90125" @port perran .

Not sure about Ashen Ringlets (not unpleasant though) ditto Mint Julip @ntpntpntp .

Came across this the other day, didn't know the original but I rather like this...

Some other interesting covers available...

Tim

That is right up there for me Tim @Moonglum .
Very, very nice indeedy.

Well, some recent interesting musical posts. Sweet surprised me once when they walked into the pub I was having a quiet drink with Miss Moonglum - sorry not really my thing @kusojiji .

Ningen Isu - hmmm not bad... @EtchedPixels .

Yes, Yes agreed @Newportnobby , but post TfTO "Relayer" was pretty good as was "90125" @port perran .

Not sure about Ashen Ringlets (not unpleasant though) ditto Mint Julip @ntpntpntp .

Came across this the other day, didn't know the original but I rather like this...


Some other interesting covers available...

Tim







 

Yep! Astonishing performance!

Quote from: njee20 on Yesterday at 07:56:16 PMYep, I remember mine being 2.5m, but never needed to know to the mm. How accurate do you need? There's a bit of slip in the couplings/bogies, so it shortens a bit when pushed.

And being Kato you can push 19 cars even round curves and at suicidal speeds without derailment!

Yep, I remember mine being 2.5m, but never needed to know to the mm. How accurate do you need? There's a bit of slip in the couplings/bogies, so it shortens a bit when pushed.

My working length assumption has always been 2500mm from when I measured one about 25 years ago and found it was 1/160 of the full sized 400 metre train.