@Roy L S

Hi roy that's good, thank you & of course, I do agree that not everyone can always agree - it's good and interesting to have a healthy debate - like you say - we don't always have to agree with one another - but always be respectful

Actually that is one major thing I get very anxious about - I try to make my points with always good intentions, but they do not always come across that way - never been good with words and it can be harder on forums as messages can quite easily be taken the wrong way

Thank you for understanding and my apologies to you if my previous message seemed a bit abrupt

@Ben A

No problem, and for what it's worth I do agree with you - you don't always get it perfect - you haven't produced a class 442 yet ? j/k

If you ever in the South or South West doing a show and/or exhibition then would say hello

Can I ask you something actually - Regarding your class 175 units - was there a green gwr version in the pipeline or have I got it mixed up with the gwr electro stars? Obviously if you can't answer the question I completely understand.


@Suffolk Rob

Thanks yes your right I wasn't suggesting anything negative about other manufacturers

Interesting choice on the dapol class 26, and do agree about what you written about merits of a company,  as I'm not saying other companies don't, I'm sure they definitely do, but with revolution trains I get the impression they really care about there models & customer service not just from a business point of view, but from a hobbyist point of view as well

Hello all,

Awww, shucks!

On behalf of all at Revolution, thanks for the very kind words.   

Like forum members, we are enthusiasts and as all of us (except our new designer, Louis) are in our 'second' careers with Revolution our motivators are primarily to make the models *we* would want to buy.

Obviously we don't always get it perfect, and every day is a school day.

But we do have a policy of continuous improvement - for example reducing the weight of the class B tanks - and will continue with that.

And we are always happy to talk to fellow enthusiasts at shows so if there's anything in particular you want to discuss don't be shy - come and say hello!

We will always try to give you a straight answer – even if it isn't always what you want to hear!

Cheers

Ben A.

Quote from: GWR_XC on Today at 10:19:20 AMGoing by your logic tho - nothing would need it's own thread...

My apologies if I have caused any offense.

Hi GWR_XC

Not really, the issue is more about whether people necessarily agree that specific things need their own thread, and on that opinions will differ, and of course that is fine, we are all entitled to our views as long as we show each other respect.

Absolutely not, no offence taken at all, your replies have been perfectly respectful, you have made your point based on your own perspective and let's face it people never agree on everything!

Kind Regards

Roy

I would expect at least double the existing product price. However if it works well (and that's one that time will tell) then I can definitely see the appeal. An instantaneous fiddle yard is very cool, particularly for space constrained layouts.

I don't know how big Proses are, but they're definitely more established than one bloke in his garage as Nelevation was. I'm not sure I'd rush to be an early adopter, but I'll definitely watch with interest.   

It's an interesting discussion and, like most, I have models I'm very pleased with from all manufacturers. I don't think there's a "poor" manufacturer in N and I appreciate that this isn't what the OP is suggesting either.

As for best models, we all determine that in our own way considering a range of factors including the prototype. For example my " best" locos are the Dapol 26. Yes a 20 year old model now not to the standard of newer releases, more than a few QC issues in its time, no sound provision, but it happens to be my favorite prototype hence it will always rank as a favorite.

When looking at the merits of the various companies, what makes the difference to me is not what goes right, but how they respond when things aren't quite right. I have had the odd minor problem with 2 or 3 Revolution models, but each time they have sorted them for me quickly and easily. That, more than anything, is why I hold them in high regard.

@Newportnobby thanks I'll check that link out

@Bealman Nice, signals look ok

@njee20 ah I see, I wouldn't have any of the newer dapol 66s in that case - it is certainly good to hear they are running well, I shall have a look and purchase one if they have the livery I'm looking for. Just out of interest - is there a method to help identify if it's the latest model? Cheers

@Roy L S

Of course your entitled to your opinion.

Going by your logic tho - nothing would need it's own thread

Generally if I don't feel a thread is relevant - then I simply wouldn't post in it - but each to there own I guess

And I did not create this to cause any divide or issues so I do apologize if it comes across that way

And your quite right appreciation threads can be given to other manufacturers dapol & Graham farish are both great - I especially like dapol as they have a factory in Wales and still build some of there models there

But as I have said the reasons I created the thread - all things considered - revolution do an incredible job and this being an N gauge forum I thought there may be other enthusiasts who appreciate revolution models and can discuss it

This is nothing against any other manufacturer - I want them all to succeed and everyone to appreciate them all. My apologies if I have caused any offense.

Quote from: GWR_XC on Today at 04:09:39 AM@njee20

Nice, the wcml has some much modern N gauge stock it's a brilliant era to do

It's funny actually - revolution trains are the reason why I started taking a stronger interest in the wcml myself

And that's a fair point about the class 66s, when you say the newer dapol one do you mean next18 dcc version?

The brand new model - came out about 6 weeks ago. They are Next 18, but so were the older tooling for the last 5 years or so, so that's not an identifier as such.

Their parcels unit is one of my favourite models. Seen here underneath the horribly overscale signals on the Beal & Castle Eden.

Quote from: Stuart Down Under on Today at 04:23:01 AMNoting the title "RevolutioN trains appreciation thread", is it really the appropriate place to post "nah, they 'aint so special" type of message? Either express your appreciation, or start your own post to make your own comparative assessments.

People will express their appreciation for individual models (or disappointment in some cases) anyway, and I just don't personally feel that any individual manufacturer justifies (or even needs) their own "appreciation" thread. That is not to wish to denigrate anything that Revolution has achieved, nor their contribution to the hobby, it is simply the case that they shouldn't need it, their models will largely speak for themselves.

My own experience of Revolution is more limited than others because of the era that I model, but I have bought examples of all model produced that fits it. Like other manufacturers, things have not been perfect in every case, but yes, they are innovators who do always try to "lift the bar".

I have so far had: -

- 12 x Class B Tanks from the original release which looked very good but contained far too much weight rendering them pretty much unusable as a rake as intended.
- 6 x Sturgeons that look exquisite but have a propensity to uncouple without being asked!
- 3 x Cemflo - I believe produced in conjunction with Accurascale - absolutely beautiful models.
- 4 x Class A Tanks - lovely models.
- 4 x Class B Tanks - later batch, with weight issue addressed - lovely models.
- 2 x Borail Wagons - again exquisite - no issues.

- 1 x Class 128 - Looks lovely and runs well but some (included me) reported issues with the speaker fitted when using a Zimo sound decoder - crackling and distortion, the speaker had been fitted to the chassis with no resonance chamber, sound "escaped" through holes in the bottom of the chassis.

My point is that I could do the same assessment for my Bachmann, Dapol and Rapido models and the outcome would be the same - mostly very good but not everything completely free from issues.

As to not posting on this thread unless "appreciating" Revolution models, I don't think that's how this forum works, as long as people abide by Group rules they should be free to post any observation they have on the subject matter, or even disagree that such a thread is necessary at all, as long as it is done respectfully.

Quote from: GWR_XC on Yesterday at 09:44:22 PM@Newportnobby
How do you find the class 128s ? As I do intend to get one of those

@GWR_XC See here............

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?msg=812541