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N Gauge Discussion / Re: N Gauge Wheel Sets
Last post by KevTheBusDriver - June 18, 2024, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on June 18, 2024, 08:41:51 PMSounds like a plan. Bit of a faff but a tweak they should fit Kev.
Here's a pic of Lima flr flats, one with the Lima bogie and one with a GraFar bogie - the 1mm spacer could be made smaller of the GF wheels were a) smaller diam and b) smaller flanges.
The next one I did (today) has no spacer at all - I just didn't file away as much of the cast stretcher...

N Gauge Discussion / Re: N Gauge Wheel Sets
Last post by crewearpley40 - June 18, 2024, 08:41:51 PM
Sounds like a plan. Bit of a faff but a tweak they should fit Kev.
N Gauge Discussion / Re: N Gauge Wheel Sets
Last post by KevTheBusDriver - June 18, 2024, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on June 17, 2024, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: KevTheBusDriver on June 17, 2024, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on June 17, 2024, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: KevTheBusDriver on June 16, 2024, 09:54:35 PMI was looking for some 5.5mm diam wheels with small flanges on an axle long enough to fit in GRAFAR 100T oil tank bogies. I gave up looking, changed the plans so I don't need  them now!
There might be a requirement for an axle to replace the GRAFAR 100T oil tanker wheels with something with smaller flanges, but maybe these are already out there???
Kev E.

Hi Kev

Do these wheels have 3 hole discs?


Hi Dave - no, the 5.5 diam wheels I got are these:
(from eBay)
These fit in a Lima freightliner flat bogie - they run very nicely and have smaller flanges than Lima, so the wagon floor can be lowered. I was hoping to get the same wheels with longer axles to fit the similar Farish bogie, but I gave up looking.
Kev E.
Kevin. Hi would those fit the grafar 100 T tankers ?
Under 11 pounds for a dozen is a bargain and I purchased some for my lima freightliner stock as you say smooth running now. Anything on Peters Spares or farish n spares  did you find ?


Hi Chris, no, these axles are much too short to fit the Grafar 100T tank bogie. I did faff around trying to fit a pair of 'spacers' in - I tried 2 thicknesses of plastikard and even brass strip, but I gave up and resigned to hacking my Lima bogies for the job. However, all is not lost 'cos I'm now fitting the Farish bogies (the ones I'd got for the job) (with over-size wheels) onto the Lima flats... (just don't ask!).
Kev E.
N Gauge Discussion / Re: N Gauge Wheel Sets
Last post by Mr Sprue - June 18, 2024, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: njee20 on June 18, 2024, 11:58:44 AMI think price is relevant too (certainly is for me). I find the Farish wheel sets fine, but they're fairly expensive. I suspect yours will be 'gold standard' which is great, but I'm too tight!

Price is something I'm wrestling with at present, so far the cost of the brass tyres has been guestimated @ 30p each!
General Discussion / Re: An Eventful Christmas at T...
Last post by Chris in Prague - June 18, 2024, 04:31:49 PM
The Wadebridge Yardmaster could not help but notice the smitten look on young Tommy's face as Lila gracefully approached their table. A warm, amused smile played across Bill's weathered features as he observed his fifteen-year-old assistant's reaction to the young woman's presence.

Having worked his way up through every department of the railway, Bill had seen his fair share of adolescent infatuations blossom among young railwaymen over the years. He recognised the telltale signs in Tommy – the flushed cheeks, the nervous straightening of his posture, and the way his bright eyes followed Lila's every movement with a mixture of awe and longing.

As Lila leaned over to pour the shimmering elixir into the crystal glasses, Bill stole a sidelong glance at Tommy, chuckling inwardly at the boy's rapt expression. Despite his crippled leg and the burden of being a widower after losing his beloved Gracie, Bill's kind heart swelled with sympathy for the stirrings of first love he saw in his young protégé.

Once Lila had moved on to the next table, Bill turned to Tommy, his eyes twinkling with mirth. "Seems our Lila has quite the effect on you, lad", he remarked, his voice carrying a gentle, fatherly tone.

Tommy's face reddened further, and he ducked his head sheepishly. "I... well, she's..." he stammered, at a loss for words to describe the depth of his admiration.

Bill chuckled warmly, reaching over to give Tommy's shoulder a reassuring pat. "No need to be embarrassed, my boy. We've all been struck by Cupid's arrow at one time or another." His expression softened as he recalled his own youthful courtship of Gracie, a journey that had led to decades of marital bliss.

Leaning in conspiratorially, Bill imparted a bit of hard-earned wisdom. "The way to a woman's heart is through kindness, respect, and a willingness to lend an ear when she needs it most. Treat her like a true lady, and she'll see the gentleman within you."

Tommy nodded earnestly, hanging on Bill's every word. Though the seasoned Yardmaster had faced more than his fair share of hardship, from his terrible accident to the loss of his beloved wife, his character remained one of humility, decency, and unwavering Christian faith.

"'Tis, good advice indeed, young man", chimed in Arthur Angove, the Wadebridge Shedmaster, seated directly across from Bill.

With a paternal smile, Bill gave Tommy's shoulder another affectionate pat. He knew the path of young love was rarely a smooth one, but he had every confidence that, with time and guidance, this bright-eyed lad would grow into a fine young man worthy of winning a fine young woman's love.
N Gauge Discussion / Re: Old Farish's small wheel r...
Last post by Platy767 - June 18, 2024, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: Le Night ferry on June 18, 2024, 09:54:09 AMIs it for driving wheel, not for bogie?

No. These are bogie wheels. I have about 20 of them. They are about 6mm diameter.
My understanding was they were supplied by the late Mike Bryant, hence MBM, to the N Gauge Society. I have some of his wagon wheels with 8 spokes on axles for PECO and Farish wagons, but I use them on my kits.

I purchased sufficient bogie wheels to do kits for 2-6-4T, 4-6-2T, 4-4-0 and 0-6-4 locos.
N Gauge Discussion / Re: A Coarse Guide to the Stea...
Last post by martyn - June 18, 2024, 12:26:24 PM
Thanks again, John.

Possibly anticipating part of your posts, if the crown sheet mentioned above was exposed due to low water level for any reason, then there was serious risk of distortion or even collapse, resulting in an explosion.

To counter this, a lead fusible plug was placed in the crown sheet which would melt and thus allow the water in the boiler to partly douse the fire and warn the crew-who may have had difficulty getting off the footplate if the loco was at speed!

Richard Hardy, when shedmaster at Kings Lynn (I think) tells of going into a firebox when the loco was still in steam to cure a weeping plug; this was strictly forbidden, I think, but the alternative was cancelling a train.



Just looked it up; he was at South Lynn (ex M+GN), and it was one of his boilermakers who went into the firebox to effect the repair.

General Discussion / June 2024 MRH
Last post by Jon898 - June 18, 2024, 12:21:37 PM
N Gauge Discussion / Re: N Gauge Wheel Sets
Last post by njee20 - June 18, 2024, 11:58:44 AM
I think price is relevant too (certainly is for me). I find the Farish wheel sets fine, but they're fairly expensive. I suspect yours will be 'gold standard' which is great, but I'm too tight!
N Gauge Discussion / Re: A Coarse Guide to the Stea...
Last post by Train Waiting - June 18, 2024, 11:37:52 AM
A Coarse Guide to the Steam Locomotive for 'N' Gauge Modellers - Part 19

Hello Chums

Righty-oh, after the pause to state the obvious, on with the series and thank you very much for all those lovely, kind posts.

I have described the Belpaire firebox in its simplest form, effectively a squarish inner firebox inside a larger squarish outer firebox.  I think the ex-Midland '4F' 0-6-0 shows this arrangement well, with the large flat sides of its outer firebox cladding sheets.

But not all Belpaire fireboxes are created equal and I suggest you have a close look at the one on a large Great Western Railway design-influenced locomotive to observe the complex shapes originated by Mr Churchward and employed later, with detail variations, by others.

The side plates have gentle curves to permit free circulation of water around the inner firebox.  The firebox also tapers from the front to the back which permits wider cab front windows.  Finally, the firebox top slopes down from front to rear, which greatly reduces the risk of the rear of the crown sheet being exposed when the water in the boiler runs forward during braking.  Mr Churchward mentioned this last feature during a discussion on a paper entitled American Locomotive Practice at a meeting of the Institution of Civil Engineers (ICE) on 31 March, 1903.  I thought it would be a wizard wheeze to see the great man's words, spoken over 120 years ago:

"[...] the sloping top to the firebox is practically a necessity in such long boilers as are now used with 4-4-2 or 4-6-0 engines, and especially with the 2-6-2.  A boiler is now obtained with a 15 ft. or 16 ft. barrel, and perhaps a 9 ft. box.  When the brake is applied, the water in these long boilers runs to the front end to such an extent that the back of the roof-sheet is quite uncovered; and by dropping the back of the roof of the box 3 in., the benefit of 3 in. of water is obtained when the brake is applied."1

Mention of American locomotive practice reminds us that Mr Churchward was much influenced by this, as was another British locomotive engineer, whose contribution we will discuss in the next postington in the series.

1  Mr Churchward's comments at the meeting were recorded by the ICE and published at the time.  Mr HAV Bulleid reproduced extracts in his Master Builders of Steam, Ian Allan, London, 1963.  A splendid book, written by a locomotive engineer.  The book's preface is by Sir William Stanier, HG Ivatt (the author's uncle) and OVS Bulleid (the author's father). 


A note on the picturinghams.

'4F' 0-6-0 No. 4232 is an old ProperlyPoole Graham farish model and I think she captures well the look of the prototype.

'Castle' 4-6-0 No. 5051 Earl Bathurst (sometimes Drysllwyn Castle, her name in 1936-37, prior to renaming) is a Great Western Society locomotive.  She was photographed at Toddington on a sunny day.

'N' Gauge is Such Fun!

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.



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