Peco Tankers !

Tom@Crewe · September 30, 2012, 10:45:09 AM

Specifically Peco's Milk tankers....But tankers generally

What time period are these from. I would like a few to add variety to goods trains, But would these have been seen pre-1948 (I am post war LMS)

Frank lax · September 30, 2012, 11:21:52 AM

I believe they came in about mid 1930's but later most were converted to 6 wheelers such as the Dapol ones. However a while ago the Journal had a method available online on how to convert them using 1/2 of a 10 foot steel Peco chassis. I believe the conversion to 6 wheels was to improve stability as the 4 wheelers had a habit of derailing.

There is/was also some info on the net under 'Beginners Guide to Model Railways' which had a section on Milk traffic which is worth a look.

Regards

Frank

Tom@Crewe · September 30, 2012, 11:30:56 AM

Yes I was having some thoughts about the 6 wheelers (was it a bigger tank) and doing a bit of kit bashing.

upnick · September 30, 2012, 12:12:39 PM

Hi Tom,

These decals might interest you if your doing a touch of kitbashing

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNITED-DAIRIES-MILK-TANKERS-3-TYPES-WATERSLIDE-TRANSFERS-N-SCALE-/251080190882?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3a758baba2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CORNISH-CREAMERY-WATERSLIDE-TRANSFERS-N-SCALE-/261105172560?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3ccb14c050

I asked about kits for these decals you may have seen 15ft types where also mentioned.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7752.msg86358#msg86358

Tom@Crewe · September 30, 2012, 03:47:52 PM

Is the 15' tanker more modern? was the 10' tanker converted to 6 wheels still 10'

Frank lax · September 30, 2012, 04:14:53 PM

The 10 ft w/b tanker when converted to a 6 wheeler had a 13 ft w/b chassis, 6ft 6 in + 6 ft 6 in. This agrees with the Dapol model I have and also the photos in GW coaches by Russell and also the instruction sheet from The Journal from a while back. The photos in GW coaches is dated 1937. I gather that the tank was owned by the dairy and the chassis by the railway and some tankers were still in use iup to late 50's early 60's and I gather a couple have been preserved.

Regards

Frank

Tom@Crewe · September 30, 2012, 04:18:05 PM

Did the actual tank stay the same size?

What and where is 'The Journal'

Frank lax · September 30, 2012, 04:26:32 PM

Yes the tanks stayed the same size, the method in the Journal addes an extra pair of wheels and reuses the other bits.

By the Journal I mean the N Gauge Society Journal. The 6 wheel conversion was by Mike Harris and dated Oct 2002 and titled Six Wheel Milk Tank Wagons, acording to the notes I have.

Regards

Frank

Newportnobby · September 30, 2012, 04:35:10 PM

Hi Tom,

This link might help

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-milk.htm

BernardTPM · September 30, 2012, 06:05:20 PM

Quote from: Tom@Crewe on September 30, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
Did the actual tank stay the same size?

Note how the end supports angle slightly out on the normal 10' wb tanks, but inward on the 6-wheel milk tanks.

upnick · September 30, 2012, 06:25:06 PM

More pictorial reference here Tom

http://www.trainzclassics.co.uk/about_tc3/rolling_stock.htm

upnick · September 30, 2012, 06:37:21 PM

Does anyone know or have experience of Dapol selling plain tankers to allow modellers to add their own livery ?

Sprintex · September 30, 2012, 06:50:07 PM

The closest you'll get to 'plain' is probably the silver "Unigate Creameries" ones I bought when they first came out, that's why I bought them

Paul

upnick · September 30, 2012, 07:08:21 PM

Cheers Paul

Tom@Crewe · October 01, 2012, 07:02:12 AM

I have not started my layout yet, but this little build is going to go ahead very soon. I will mix them for goods trains when ready (3 x 4 wheelers and 4 x 6 wheelers)

First to purchase 2 tankers and a matching chassis kit, One to stay a 4 wheeler and reference, the other for conversion.