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Author Topic: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype!  (Read 90693 times)

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2012, 11:01:19 AM »
I am keen on buying a few. Might have to whiz over to Tonbridge to get some piccies for paint schemes

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2012, 12:53:01 PM »
Thanks for the positive comments.  I can't wait to see them on other member's layouts. :thumbsup:

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2012, 01:32:47 PM »
I'd like one, I'm thinking I'll create a geared track cleaning device which sits within the body for it...

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2012, 02:34:27 PM »
With regard to the kit vs rtr argument I tend to buy kits over rtr because they take more time and are more fun. A case in point are the JGAs from the society. I am on my second rake of 12 and probably not as good as the rtr version but way more satisfactory.

I completely agree! However in this case my point is not really about my enjoyment but the "greater good".  I would rather have say a RTR Windhoff from Bachmann and a.n. other piece of track eqpt from the designers who are doing this - that way N gauge becomes more attractive as the range grows.

The JGAs are a good example as the RTR and kit JGAs are different wagons so you get more variety!

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2012, 03:40:44 PM »
But, what if Bachmann don't make an MPV?!?! ;)  Nobody knows, so it's a pointless argument really.   :hmmm:  I'm going to have a working model ASAP as I'm impatient, so if anyone else does, then great.  If people would rather wait and see if one arrives from Bachmann then so be it.  Each to their of course. ;D

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2012, 04:26:34 PM »
But, what if Bachmann don't make an MPV?!?! ;)  Nobody knows, so it's a pointless argument really.   :hmmm:  I'm going to have a working model ASAP as I'm impatient

With the odd exception (no need to point them out) there isn't that much that they have produced in OO recently that hasn't been shrunk...

The point about being impatient was also an implied point of my argument...why not be a little more patient and the time spent designing the MPV could have gone on something far less likely to be duplicated?  A single unit MPV or one of the modern tampers for example?

You are right each to their own, but we have seen enough duplication both by Dapol / Bachfar with each other and Bachfar with kit makers over the past few years that I would rather there wasn't potentially more.



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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2012, 04:32:13 PM »
You are right each to their own, but we have seen enough duplication both by Dapol / Bachfar with each other and Bachfar with kit makers over the past few years that I would rather there wasn't potentially more.

I look forward to the day 3D print is nice enough we can go around printing better models than theirs and get our revenge. The big makers duplicating some of the obvious kit stuff is kind of inevitable because many of the older kits cover the obvious things people would want (like the Silver Fox class 66 - I'm sure most of us are glad of the RTR one ;)). When I did the Maunsell kits I took it as given that RTR ones would appear within the next few years .

The NGS have slightly less excuses

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2012, 05:58:09 PM »

Hello all,

I applaud the MPV project and am very impressed with what's been achieved, however I too have my reservations about the choice of prototype.

Although I think Bachmann will probably shrink the OO version down at some point (though maybe not that soon, as there are suggestions that sales of the 4mm version have been disappointing and all versions still in stock at the warehouse) my own feeling is that starting on a powered vehicle is very ambitious; and a non powered track vehicle such as a crane might have been an easier way to "test" both the various production processes and the market.

As Mike says above, with NGS products we have tried where we can to avoid duplicating other RTR items, or where we predict items will be produced (such as the JGA hopper and Autoballaster) we have tried to produce models that are complementary.  So our curved sided RMC hoppers work well with the square sided Farish ones, and our Autoballasters can be built in modern Network Rail types, or backdated to be the original Tiphook hoppers.

There have been a few clashes - the Queen Mary brake van supercedes the NGS's own own hard-to-built etched kit for example - but in most cases the RTR version represents either a clear improvement on existing products (such as the Snowplough) or offers alternatives not previously available (Ultima offer a fine kit for the 50' Inspection Saloon using printed sides but I do not believe these cover the more modern liveries such as blue/grey or EWS.)

Having said that, the response to the MPV is largely very encouraging and it does look as if plenty on this group are looking forward to acquiring one!

cheers

Ben A.



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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2012, 06:58:04 PM »
on a powered vehicle is very ambitious; and a non powered track vehicle such as a crane might have been an easier way to "test" both the various production processes and the market.

Great thing about 3D print is you can print 3, think 'oops' and change chassis. It is ambitious but I think its great to see ambition. Progress through embarrassing failure and all that  :thumbsup:. The biggest issue looks like it will be weight.

The ability do different module variations is also something I suspect the RTR ones wont do.

On sales btw I suspect it's a very good choice for a kit at least. Departmental stuff sells incredibly well in N - no idea why but it's always been that way it seems.

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alternatives not previously available (Ultima offer a fine kit for the 50' Inspection Saloon using printed sides but I do not believe these cover the more modern liveries such as blue/grey or EWS.)

The etched sides do...

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2012, 07:18:58 PM »
alternatives not previously available (Ultima offer a fine kit for the 50' Inspection Saloon using printed sides but I do not believe these cover the more modern liveries such as blue/grey or EWS.)

The etched sides do...

Alan


Hello Alan

My apologies - etched versions would cover all liveries.  I was only aware of the printed Ultima sides.

cheers

Ben A.



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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2012, 07:10:11 AM »
Hi,
I will certainly be in the queue for this.

On sales btw I suspect it's a very good choice for a kit at least. Departmental stuff sells incredibly well in N - no idea why but it's always been that way it seems.

For myself I've mentioned before I blame exposure to the Gerry Anderson Universe all those years ago, very impressionable mind.  All those specialised vehicles with the notable disappointment at the time of Thunderbird 6, most of which barely saw a single use  :doh:
That's why I've got the N-Train Structure Gauging Car in my 'to do' drawer  8)

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2012, 08:35:54 AM »
All those specialised vehicles with the notable disappointment at the time of Thunderbird 6, most of which barely saw a single use  :doh:
You can always use this to create an interpretation of Thunderbird 6 ... unfortunately there are no 1-14(x) Tiger Moths on Shapeways :D

http://www.shapeways.com/model/400374/1-144-sopwith-camel.html

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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2012, 11:57:57 AM »
There seems to be a whole argument developing at present about this kit vs a ready to run model (which doesn't exist in our scale yet BTW) and reasons not to buy the MPV or for it not to be produced.

Instead of the usual gripers and moaners complaining about choice of model, livery, who else might build one in future, how good or bad it looks and generally starting needless arguments Etc etc
Why don't they instead ditch the whinning and whinging and remember that this project has been put together by a small team of people whom are not professional rail modellers, whom have full time jobs in other disciplines, have the usual needs of families, commit alot of unpaid time to run this forum and generally have to deal with 'nit pickers' whom in my opinion would struggle gluing together an airfix kit, let alone Organise and produce a kit such as this.

I personally have no need for an MPV on my layout however I will be first in the que to buy one to support the forum and the hobby as a whole.
We should be grateful that there are people out there whom support the hobby in ways such as this and help promote is growth and development for 1000's of others. :NGaugeForum:


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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2012, 12:46:13 PM »
There seems to be a whole argument developing at present about this kit vs a ready to run model (which doesn't exist in our scale yet BTW) and reasons not to buy the MPV or for it not to be produced.

Instead of the usual gripers and moaners complaining about choice of model, livery, who else might build one in future, how good or bad it looks and generally starting needless arguments Etc etc
Why don't they instead ditch the whinning and whinging and remember that this project has been put together by a small team of people whom are not professional rail modellers, whom have full time jobs in other disciplines, have the usual needs of families, commit alot of unpaid time to run this forum and generally have to deal with 'nit pickers' whom in my opinion would struggle gluing together an airfix kit, let alone Organise and produce a kit such as this.

I personally have no need for an MPV on my layout however I will be first in the que to buy one to support the forum and the hobby as a whole.
We should be grateful that there are people out there whom support the hobby in ways such as this and help promote is growth and development for 1000's of others. :NGaugeForum:

Well said Owl,
My thoughts are it's great people are prepared to  put time,and dedication into new projects.
IMHO Without the small enterprises this hobby would be very boring. It is much too modern for me but it uses the latest cutting edge technology and should be supported for that alone.
I enjoy building stuff and there are many kits out there that people should try, they may not be good enough for rivet counters but you can buy aftermarket detailing parts.
Tank and crew have designed something that at this moment in time is Unique in N Gauge.
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Re: NGF Exclusive! Windhoff MPV Prototype at TINGs!
« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2012, 01:21:27 PM »
The team were aware of the possible downsizing of the Bachmann MPV, before committing themselves to the project. They were also aware of the fact that I had done some CAD work of my own for a model, and discussed this with me before proceeding.

I have to say that I am impressed by the work done and could well be interested in one for myself. All I can say is good luck with this kit. Even if Farish do bring one out, I am sure you will get a good run in the meantime.

 

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