Dapol Grange - livery

[port perran]

Let's start with a photograph :

I purchased this Grange at a local toy fair around six weeks ago.
She's a lovely runner and a very nice addition to my fleet to complement my existing Grange in lined green livery.

However, that white lining on the inside of the splashers is rather grating on me.
I have a BR (W) Hall also in lined black but the splasher lining is a thin band of gold which looks splendid.

My question is, were some Granges out-shopped with white lining to the splashers?

Is it authentic or is it simply a case that Dapol have applied it a little too thickly thereby drawing one's eye to it?

I've a mind to go over it with black but before I do so does anyone else have an opinion?

Thank you
Martin

PS The white lining is even more obtrusive to the naked eye than it is in the photograph.

[chrism]

However, that white lining on the inside of the splashers is rather grating on me.

It does look rather heavy.
From what I can see from a Google search of real locos rather than models, it should be a thickish light grey line, with a thin white one inside it, then a gap followed by a thin red line. Can't be sure if the bottom of the splashers had anything other than the thin red line.

I have a BR (W) Hall also in lined black but the splasher lining is a thin band of gold which looks splendid.

Could that not be just the brass beading on the splasher edge?
I'm not sure, but it could be that that one should also have had the grey/white/red lining as well.

My question is, were some Granges out-shopped with white lining to the splashers?
Is it authentic or is it simply a case that Dapol have applied it a little too thickly thereby drawing one's eye to it?

The splasher lining does look too heavy, although that it's lined at all is authentic for that particular loco - from what I can find only 6809 (from Dec'49) and 6819 (from 1955) got lined black, all the rest were unlined.

Can't see clearly from your photo - does it have the brass beading on the splasher edges? If not, maybe you could put that on which would thin the white?

[Bob G]

Let's start with a photograph :

I purchased this Grange at a local toy fair around six weeks ago.
She's a lovely runner and a very nice addition to my fleet to complement my existing Grange in lined green livery.

However, that white lining on the inside of the splashers is rather grating on me.
I have a BR (W) Hall also in lined black but the splasher lining is a thin band of gold which looks splendid.

My question is, were some Granges out-shopped with white lining to the splashers?

Is it authentic or is it simply a case that Dapol have applied it a little too thickly thereby drawing one's eye to it?

I've a mind to go over it with black but before I do so does anyone else have an opinion?

Thank you
Martin

PS The white lining is even more obtrusive to the naked eye than it is in the photograph.

Hi Martin, I'm not a GWR aficionado, but IIRC the Dapol early crest Granges had the smaller 3500 gal Manor style tender. I have found these tenders to be annoyingly problematic for pick up compared to the 4000 gal Hall style tender. What you seem to have there is an early crest Hall tender (with less aggravating mixed traffic lining) coupled to an early crest Grange loco which also had overly bright mixed traffic lining. I have an early crest Schools which is equally overbright, even after Rob Elliott's weathering efforts.

If you are happy that the tender is probably incorrect for the Grange in that livery, paint out the white, or at least reduce its brightness.

Best regards
Bob (a Southern man!)

[chrism]

Hi Martin, I'm not a GWR aficionado, but IIRC the Dapol early crest Granges had the smaller 3500 gal Manor style tender. I have found these tenders to be annoyingly problematic for pick up compared to the 4000 gal Hall style tender. What you seem to have there is an early crest Hall tender (with less aggravating mixed traffic lining) coupled to an early crest Grange loco which also had overly bright mixed traffic lining.

If you are happy that the tender is probably incorrect for the Grange in that livery, paint out the white, or at least reduce its brightness.

Good point, Bob.
6809 should have the smaller tender, unless it did get given a larger one before a coat of green paint.
6819 received lined black in 1955 but also had a 4000 gallon tender at that time.

[port perran]

Thank you both.

@Bob G , I believe the model to be as purchased. It belonged to a collector with no model railway so had probably never previously been run.

I'm happy for it to have the incorrect tender so I'll probably heed your advice and "deal" with that white lining.

As I said, the locomotive is a good runner especially after a good run in which seemed to confirm that it had never previously been run.

I'll post a photo of the amended livery in due course.

@chrism - do you happen to know when it was repainted from black to green?

Thanks

Martin

[Bob G]

As I said, the locomotive is a good runner especially after a good run in which seemed to confirm that it had never previously been run.

Certainly if you want a Grange to run well it needs the 4000 gallon tender, which is what you have on both your models. The current Dapol 3500 gallon tender is poor at current collection (The forthcoming Manor and Mogul will of course be much better, fingers crossed).

Bob

[chrism]

@chrism - do you happen to know when it was repainted from black to green?

Sorry, the sole reference I found said "late 1950s".

https://www.7mmloco.co.uk/2021/02/21/brwr-grange-class-4-6-0-no-6809-burghclere-grange/

[Bob G]

If you are happy with the Peco Collett and that massive tender that they hardly ever ran with, then this is ten times more reasonable