Stanier Suburbans from Dapol

[Adam1701D]

Apart from the numbering, are there any other differences between the push-pull versions of Dapol's Ivatt 2MT tank locos and the non-push-pull versions?

Yes - the push-pull version has extra tooling for the pumps and fiddly bits.

(Edited for spelling)

[Newportnobby]

Apart from the numbering, are there any other differences between the push-pull versions of Dapol's Ivatt 2MT tank locos and the non-push-pull versions?

Yes - the push-pull version has extra tooling for the pimps and fiddly bits.

Now that's a really unfortunate typo

[madchadbrad]

Apart from the numbering, are there any other differences between the push-pull versions of Dapol's Ivatt 2MT tank locos and the non-push-pull versions?

Yes, the very prominent push-pull equipment by the smokebox, unlike the GW locos which had mechanical linkages, LMS ones had a vacuum driven system.

Thanks!
Darn it! That probably means that s/h examples of the original Dapol production run version will be like for hens teeth ... or any new run version at premium price!

I wonder it anyone does an add-on moulding/3D print that could be added to a non-push-pull loco?

[madchadbrad]

Maybe this from Peter's Spares?
EBay.uk item #314587589414

[class8mikado]

Apart from the numbering, are there any other differences between the push-pull versions of Dapol's Ivatt 2MT tank locos and the non-push-pull versions?

Yes, the very prominent push-pull equipment by the smokebox, unlike the GW locos which had mechanical linkages, LMS ones had a vacuum driven system.

Thanks!
Darn it! That probably means that s/h examples of the original Dapol production run version will be like for hens teeth ... or any new run version at premium price!

I wonder it anyone does an add-on moulding/3D print that could be added to a non-push-pull loco?

Having had mine exit the table (at the kind of speeds only these locos seem capable of) and suffer external damage i had to buy a couple of spare bodies. If the push pull apperatus is still on either of them its yours, will have a rummage tonight...

[Bob G]

I believe that the BRITISH RAILWAYS version of the Ivatt will have push pull apparatus fitted.

[madchadbrad]

Only the following were push-pull fitted, according to my googling of Wikipedia:
41210 to 41229, 41270-41289 & 41320-41329.

[Dalek]

Is there someone from Dapol on this thread ?

Please email us this information and also what we showed an interest in 

Craig

@Adam1701D  could you please advise on this, i have asked in this thread, replied to the "April Newsletter and Offers" email to sales@dapol.co.uk. No reply to either, please please please can you ask for the expressions of interest to be emailed out so we know what we expressed our interest in 

Thanks
Craig

[PLD]

An "expression of interest" is just that. At that point, there is no firm commitment to purchase the exact items you expressed interest in.

It may be that only aggregated numbers are recorded and not necessarily tied to individuals - that's certainly the case with some other suppliers.

When the order book is opened, at that point you can make the decision of the precise items you wish to commit to purchase (which could be different or more or less than your initial EoI)

If you did want to model a specific train and did the research, surely you didn't bin that as soon as you placed the EoI??

[Newportnobby]

When the order book is opened, at that point you can make the decision of the precise items you wish to commit to purchase (which could be different or more or less than your initial EoI)

We have no clue as to what 'slack' there is in Dapol's purchasing so I'd like to think anyone making an EoI and sticking with it would have a priority over anyone changing their mind mid stream, as it were. If their change of mind cannot be accommodated by Dapol at that point in time, then they'll just have to hope they can swap with someone else

[PLD]

When the order book is opened, at that point you can make the decision of the precise items you wish to commit to purchase (which could be different or more or less than your initial EoI)

We have no clue as to what 'slack' there is in Dapol's purchasing so I'd like to think anyone making an EoI and sticking with it would have a priority over anyone changing their mind mid stream, as it were. If their change of mind cannot be accommodated by Dapol at that point in time, then they'll just have to hope they can swap with someone else

If Dapol follow the same convention as others such as Revolution, Rapido etc the EoIs determine if it is viable; then actual orders determine what/how many of each are manufactured...

[Newportnobby]

When the order book is opened, at that point you can make the decision of the precise items you wish to commit to purchase (which could be different or more or less than your initial EoI)

We have no clue as to what 'slack' there is in Dapol's purchasing so I'd like to think anyone making an EoI and sticking with it would have a priority over anyone changing their mind mid stream, as it were. If their change of mind cannot be accommodated by Dapol at that point in time, then they'll just have to hope they can swap with someone else

If Dapol follow the same convention as others such as Revolution, Rapido etc the EoIs determine if it is viable; then actual orders determine what/how many of each are manufactured...

Sorry, but there has to be some form of priority for those who got the models over the line in the first place. What form that takes, I don't mind.
Otherwise, let's just make an EoI for everything whether it's wanted or not

[Dalek]

An "expression of interest" is just that. At that point, there is no firm commitment to purchase the exact items you expressed interest in.

It may be that only aggregated numbers are recorded and not necessarily tied to individuals - that's certainly the case with some other suppliers.

This is why i tagged @Adam1701D in, hoping he (Dapol) can advise. All i want is an email of what i expressed an interest in, yes i have forgot, lost the info etc etc. They must have this info from the forms we filled in. I don't think its asking too much, if i do this with any other manufacturer then i would get this automatically, that's why i didn't take a note when i did it, i was expecting an email with this info in it.

Craig

[PLD]

When the order book is opened, at that point you can make the decision of the precise items you wish to commit to purchase (which could be different or more or less than your initial EoI)

We have no clue as to what 'slack' there is in Dapol's purchasing so I'd like to think anyone making an EoI and sticking with it would have a priority over anyone changing their mind mid stream, as it were. If their change of mind cannot be accommodated by Dapol at that point in time, then they'll just have to hope they can swap with someone else

If Dapol follow the same convention as others such as Revolution, Rapido etc the EoIs determine if it is viable; then actual orders determine what/how many of each are manufactured...

Sorry, but there has to be some form of priority for those who got the models over the line in the first place. What form that takes, I don't mind.
Otherwise, let's just make an EoI for everything whether it's wanted or not

TBH Mick, I'm struggling to see what the problem is...  If there are 1000 ordered when the order book opens,1000+ will be produced, regardless of whether there were 800 or 1000 or 1200 EoIs...
Nobody risks losing out by someone else upping their order...

[Newportnobby]

And that's why I started out with...........

We have no clue as to what 'slack' there is in Dapol's purchasing

What if they only ordered smaller quantities based on EoIs + a little?

I also stated............

I'd like to think that, paying £40 for a coach, any left unsold are not discounted as, having supported both projects from the get go, I'd be seriously brassed off