Stanier Suburbans from Dapol

[nabber]

Thanks Mick. I looked at the Wizard Models site but although they sell the Comet kits the catalogue with all the gen is not there 

Instructions for the individual kits do still list sample formations and dates though.

Neil

[msr]

I Googled Wizard Models Comet and it took me straight there. This is the first LMS coach I came to and the pdf shows a typical formation:

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/m25.pdf

[Steven B]

From the Comet/Wizard models instructions:

BT/T (with van inboard)
BT/C/BT
BT/C/T/BT
BT/T/F/T/BT
BT/C/BT/BT/T/BT
BT/T/F/T/T/BT

No mention of locations or dates.

[kesdrive]

Been waiting for push-pull sets for years!. Just a pity the new tooled Ivatt tank has no push-pull option! (Will the old dapol Ivatt body fit the new tooled version?).

Chris

[madchadbrad]

Been waiting for push-pull sets for years!. Just a pity the new tooled Ivatt tank has no push-pull option! (Will the old dapol Ivatt body fit the new tooled version?).

Chris

There's the old Minitrix one?

[kesdrive]

There's the old Minitrix one?
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I have the dc Ivatt tank but don't know if body will fit dcc chassis.

Chris

[Bob G]

Been waiting for push-pull sets for years!. Just a pity the new tooled Ivatt tank has no push-pull option! (Will the old dapol Ivatt body fit the new tooled version?).

Chris

The "British Railways" version is supposed to have the push-pull apparatus fitted. Just that the livery samples all used the standard body.

Bob G

[PLD]

Hi @Adam1701D , @Stevie DC
A possible anomaly in the chosen running numbers: if my references (incl the David Jenkinson book) are correct, 2P-010-307 BR Lined Maroon Brake Third - M20577M was a Period 2 Diag 1735... All the other BT number choices are P3 Diag 1907s.

Happy to be corrected if you have information otherwise...

[Stevie DC]

Hi @Adam1701D , @Stevie DC
A possible anomaly in the chosen running numbers: if my references (incl the David Jenkinson book) are correct, 2P-010-307 BR Lined Maroon Brake Third - M20577M was a Period 2 Diag 1735... All the other BT number choices are P3 Diag 1907s.

Happy to be corrected if you have information otherwise...

Thanks PLD, I'll dig out my reference books tomorrow morning (just moved and everything is still boxed up) and double check this for you. 

[kesdrive]

Been waiting for push-pull sets for years!. Just a pity the new tooled Ivatt tank has no push-pull option! (Will the old dapol Ivatt body fit the new tooled version?).

Chris

The "British Railways" version is supposed to have the push-pull apparatus fitted. Just that the livery samples all used the standard body.

Bob G

Thanks Bob

[Stevie DC]

Hi @Adam1701D , @Stevie DC
A possible anomaly in the chosen running numbers: if my references (incl the David Jenkinson book) are correct, 2P-010-307 BR Lined Maroon Brake Third - M20577M was a Period 2 Diag 1735... All the other BT number choices are P3 Diag 1907s.

Happy to be corrected if you have information otherwise...

He's right folks. That's embarrassing... 

20577 should be 20757, we'll get that corrected.

[Dalek]

Can anyone help with a typical rake of these please ?

Suburbans marked in bold:
1964:
Windermere-Oxenhome BS C BCK BSK CK BSK (bold = suburban, others Mk1 heading to Euston)

Manchester Vic to Blackpool: BS C BS S BS C BS S (all suburbans, front BS C BS S from Southport to Blackpool Central, second set from Bolton to Blackpool North). Note brake vehicles not at end of train!

Manchester Vic to Blackpool: BS C BS S S S CK BSK (CK and BSK corridor stock for Fleetwood).

Manchester Vic to Blackpool: BS S CK BS BSK SK CK BSK (SK/CK/BSK all corridor to Barrow). Initial CK also coridor.

Manchester Vic to Blackpool: BS C BS BS C BS S CK BSK + 3x fish vans

From the Comet/Wizard models instructions:

BT/T (with van inboard)
BT/C/BT
BT/C/T/BT
BT/T/F/T/BT
BT/C/BT/BT/T/BT
BT/T/F/T/T/BT

No mention of locations or dates.

Thanks both 

Well done Dapol 

Craig

[Dalek]

So this Driving Brake Third, any examples of what would be on the other end?
Steam only?, i seen a mention of a motor on it on this thread?

I've only really came across the auto coach and pannier before.

Craig

[PLD]

So this Driving Brake Third, any examples of what would be on the other end?
Steam only?, i seen a mention of a motor on it on this thread?

I've only really came across the auto coach and pannier before.

Craig

As per earlier in the thread: in Push-pull operation a steam loco fitted with appropriate Vacuum control gear. Pre 1948, mainly an assortment of pre-grouping design tank locos (currently nothing available RTR). Post-war the Ivatt 2MT tank is common and a small batch of Jinties confined to South Wales.
Not compatible with locos of any other region: GW used a mechanical linkage, NE was a different air pressure system. SR  technically matching but IIRC, hoses wouldn't connect.
Could of course be used as ordinary coaching stock with any loco with compatible Vac Brakes...

The carriage was not fitted with a motor (not self propelled) - the term "motor train" was one of several descriptions applied to the formation as a whole of Loco+intermediate coaches (with necessary pipework)+Driving/Control coach.

[ianwales]

Hi all

Maybe there is scope for one of the 3D printers to produce a resin body for the Stanier 0-4-4T to fit the Dapol M7 chassis, I know its been done in 4mm scale.

Ian