Dapol announcement looking for expressions of interest in Gresley D113/245

[Roy L S]

Slightly surprised that the BG is only at 73% but then I guess we don't know how many they need to produce v's the Buffet.

I am not going to add to my orders for either, even noting that the buffet is now also available in BR Maroon (I have two of the existing ones in that livery that correctly represent the steam era) for some obscure "Rule 1"  reason it is the blue-grey one I am after just because it was such a survivor...

[Bob G]

Was the refurbished Buffet a combination brake/buffet?

Nope. They just did away with a lot of window glass behind the counter so they could do more British Rail sandwiches and toasties, and stack stuff in cupboards along the back of the buffet bar. More like a typical BR Mk 1 buffet layout. The roof vents were added to and improved too. One side (the public side of the coach) didn't change apart from white out of the last two windows. I would imagine that Dapol would reuse the internal layout moulding, because I don't think the seating changed much at all.

[Newportnobby]

Thanks. It's just that in the pic by robertcwp in your reply #24 the buffet is, unusually, the last coach in the train and looks somewhat like a brake. Having said that, the train could well have been split at Reading making it the last coach in the rake

[Bob G]

I've just been chatting with Adam at Dapol @Adam1701D and the buffet roofs are remaining as per the original moulding. The modified buffet roofs differ a little between buffet cars but basically there were larger vents fitted over the passenger seating area and additional vents added to the counter end of the buffet car.

I don't think this is going to stop anyone from getting a model though.

When I did my modification to the original model in 2011 I simply added some plasticard shapes that looked a bit like vents, and brush painted the roof.

You can see what is involved in the entire modification process in this old RM article from 2005.

HTH

Bob

[madchadbrad]

I have expressed interest in one of each livery for both the full brake and the buffet. I'm going to be going bankrupt if they all come out at once!

[Roy L S]

I've just been chatting with Adam at Dapol @Adam1701D and the buffet roofs are remaining as per the original moulding. The modified buffet roofs differ a little between buffet cars but basically there were larger vents fitted over the passenger seating area and additional vents added to the counter end of the buffet car.

I don't think this is going to stop anyone from getting a model though.

When I did my modification to the original model in 2011 I simply added some plasticard shapes that looked a bit like vents, and brush painted the roof.

You can see what is involved in the entire modification process in this old RM article from 2005.

HTH

Bob

Quite a significant difference in the roof vent layout on the modified coaches and while I do understand why, for what is perceived as a model that is a bit "niche" with a limited market, the cost of tooling a new roof isn't considered viable, it is still a bit of a shame. However it won't put me off buying one and like you say @Bob G probably won't the vast majority of people either.

Roy

[Thorpe Parva]

Going ahead...

https://www.dapol.co.uk/blogs/news/n-gauge-gresley-full-brake-bg-refurbished-buffet-update-2-0

[Newportnobby]

Yeehah!
I'm in for 2 brakes and 1 buffet as soon as we can pre order

[GlenEglise]

Dapol have obviously been listening and taking note from "The Crowd Funding People" taking expressions of interest forward in a pragmatic manner by a major manufacturer obviously take a leap of faith.

I do hope this works out well and we all get the models and livery we request.

Perhaps this is the start of something new and we can perhaps look forward to some other future "experiments" in securing interest in less well known or mainstream models.

Well done DAPOL.

GE

[madchadbrad]

Looks like they are going ahead with the project and we should have some EPs to look at before Christmas!

[bluedepot]

what year did the blue / grey buffet last run in revenue service? i know probably mid 70s - just wondered about the exact date (and service).

also what year did this style of gresley wooden body full brake stay in use on parcels and mail?


well done dapol on producing these items!

[Bob G]

I have only researched the rebuilt Buffets, but here goes:

E9115E was seen in maroon at Kings Cross in an otherwise blue grey rake in 1970.
S9117E was seen in maroon at Exeter Central in a mixed rake of blue grey, maroon and green in 1968.

E9115E was seen in blue grey at Peterborough in 1976.
E9123E was seen in blue grey at Newcastle in 1968.
E9124E was seen withdrawn in blue grey at Loughborough (GCR) in 1976.
E9128E was seen in blue grey at Leeds and Glasgow in 1975.
E9131E was seen in blue grey at Manchester in 1976.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Stevenage in 1967.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Bristol TM in 1970.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Exeter and Reading in 1975.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Paddington, Exeter, and Plymouth in 1976.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at York in March 1977, en route to preservation.
E9135E was the last surviving Gresley Buffet in revenue use, withdrawn in February 1977.

They ran on the Southern on boat trains to Southampton and Weymouth, and latterly on Waterloo-Exeter services, in maroon livery, ca. 1966-68. They were brought over from the eastern region to replace Mk 1 RBs on Boat Trains which had been taken out of service to be converted to 4-REP buffets for the Bournemouth electrification (1967).
They ran on the Midland and Eastern in blue-grey through to 1976, and on the Western, E9135E survived until 1977.

HTH
Bob

[bluedepot]

thanks bob!

great research!

I had seen a picture of a buffet in the harwich boat train before.

side note - when did the manchester to harwich train last run?

anyway I think I'll order a buffet. something different to run with mk1s.

cheers

tin

[Bob G]

The rebuilt buffets survived about as long as the Gresley full brakes, which was also 1977.

A good year for music too.

[Newportnobby]

The rebuilt buffets survived about as long as the Gresley full brakes, which was also 1977.

A good year for music too.

Last sentence extremely debatable but not here