Why Farish doesn't re-release its steam?

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Quote from: GlenEglise on April 24, 2025, 10:36:59 PMI don't mind if it is Farish or Dapol or anyone else, but will we ever see a 6MT Clan produced?
If they've not made it previously, they can't RE-RELEASE it as per the title and OP of this thread  :hmmm:   ::)
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Roy L S

Quote from: GlenEglise on April 24, 2025, 10:36:59 PMI don't mind if it is Farish or Dapol or anyone else, but will we ever see a 6MT Clan produced?

GE

A small class of 10 locos, essentially a Brit with a smaller boiler and 6P power rating, were anyone to make one it would be Dapol, but I suspect not.

Roy

Newportnobby

Quote from: Roy L S on April 25, 2025, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: GlenEglise on April 24, 2025, 10:36:59 PMI don't mind if it is Farish or Dapol or anyone else, but will we ever see a 6MT Clan produced?

GE

A small class of 10 locos, essentially a Brit with a smaller boiler and 6P power rating, were anyone to make one it would be Dapol, but I suspect not.

Roy

And mainly only seen north of Carlisle. OK, EFE did the 5 x class 41's but they've been on all kinds of wish lists for years and years

icairns

Newman Miniatures produced a 3D print of a BR 'Clan' boiler that was available on Shapeways before the demise of that platform.  It was designed to replace the Dapol Britannia boiler to convert the model to a 'Clan'.

Ian

Bigmac

a couple of years after i got back into N gauge--2018/9--several minitrix " Clans" appeared on ebay ( Renamed Britts).  I was lucky enough to bag one.
i used to be indecisive...but now i'm not so sure.

icairns

Quote from: Bigmac on April 25, 2025, 10:32:29 PMa couple of years after i got back into N gauge--2018/9--several minitrix " Clans" appeared on ebay ( Renamed Britts).  I was lucky enough to bag one.

Here is an example of a Minitrix "Clan" owned by @msr (scroll down to bottom of messages to see photo):

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33941.15

Ian

PLD

So to sum up the last few Posts in relation to the OP...

The reason Farish haven't re-released the Royal Scot in Crimson, is because the only previous model labelled as a Clan was from a different manufacturer (now not active in the UK market) and it was in reality simply a re-named Britannia (something that wouldn't be accepted in this day and age...)
Clear? ???  ???  ???
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GlenEglise

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Quote from: icairns on April 25, 2025, 07:25:03 PMNewman Miniatures produced a 3D print of a BR 'Clan' boiler that was available on Shapeways before the demise of that platform.  It was designed to replace the Dapol Britannia boiler to convert the model to a 'Clan'.

Ian

Sorry if this is now in the wrong place, perhaps needs to start a new thread?
Anyway.

Yes, I have obtained one eventually.

Does anyone know of any detailed process to undertake the conversion or perhaps a video instruction? These things often exist but are hard to find. Someone did comment on a conversion of a Minitrix Britannia but admitted they couldn't recall the process or find their notes.

It would be a first attempt at surgery on a Dapol Britannia.

Slightly hesitant!

GE

GlenEglise

Quote from: Roy L S on April 25, 2025, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: GlenEglise on April 24, 2025, 10:36:59 PMI don't mind if it is Farish or Dapol or anyone else, but will we ever see a 6MT Clan produced?

GE

A small class of 10 locos, essentially a Brit with a smaller boiler and 6P power rating, were anyone to make one it would be Dapol, but I suspect not.

Roy

Hmm a small class of ten, like the Baby Deltics?

You are having a laugh right?

GE

GlenEglise

Quote from: Newportnobby on April 25, 2025, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: Roy L S on April 25, 2025, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: GlenEglise on April 24, 2025, 10:36:59 PMI don't mind if it is Farish or Dapol or anyone else, but will we ever see a 6MT Clan produced?

GE

A small class of 10 locos, essentially a Brit with a smaller boiler and 6P power rating, were anyone to make one it would be Dapol, but I suspect not.

Roy

And mainly only seen north of Carlisle. OK, EFE did the 5 x class 41's but they've been on all kinds of wish lists for years and years

Err, I don't think so, they went all over and were misused as substitutes for Britannia's hence reducing their reputation as poor performers. They weren't meant to substitute for Britannia's.

GE

Roy L S

Quote from: GlenEglise on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 25, 2025, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: Roy L S on April 25, 2025, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: GlenEglise on April 24, 2025, 10:36:59 PMI don't mind if it is Farish or Dapol or anyone else, but will we ever see a 6MT Clan produced?

GE

A small class of 10 locos, essentially a Brit with a smaller boiler and 6P power rating, were anyone to make one it would be Dapol, but I suspect not.

Roy

And mainly only seen north of Carlisle. OK, EFE did the 5 x class 41's but they've been on all kinds of wish lists for years and years

Err, I don't think so, they went all over and were misused as substitutes for Britannia's hence reducing their reputation as poor performers. They weren't meant to substitute for Britannia's.

GE

The "Clan" was trialled elsewhere but operationally largely confined to the North West of England and Scotland - places like the West Coast Main Line north of Carlisle and "Port Road" to Stranraer, but did also get as far South as Crewe and to places like Liverpool. That said, it was designed with the lighter loadings of certain Scottish lines in mind. The loco were predominately based at Polmadie (Glasgow) and Carlisle Kingmoor.

A second "improved" batch that never got built would have been destined for the Southern but that is another story.

My understanding is that the locos were popular enough with regular crews familiar with them and after mods to the blastpipe arrangement they could steam well, the real issue was that when on trials elsewhere there was an expectation that they would have the "punch" of a Brit which with their lower 6P 5F power classification was not realistic.

As to viability as a model, that would only ever "hang off" the back of a Britannia as the chassis and running gear were all but the same (just I think smaller cylinders). The fact that Dapol have produced a Brit for many years but never tooled the smaller "Clan" body/boiler as an alternative suggests to me that they did not see a return on the tooling cost. Even in OO as far as I am aware (happy to be corrected) Hornby only ever did one production run of their "Clan".

Roy

PLD

Quote from: GlenEglise on <strong>Yesterday</strong> at 11:12:57 PMHmm a small class of ten, like the Baby Deltics?

You are having a laugh right?
I didn't realise the (EFE) Baby Deltic was a RE-RELEASE of a FARISH STEAM loco (per the title and OP of the thread)...
Perhaps being coal fired was their ultimate flaw...

Quote from: GlenEglise on September 02, 2026, 08:15:21 PMperhaps needs to start a new thread?
Definitely... ;)
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