LNER Class P2

JonMann · February 16, 2021, 02:41:33 PM

Does anybody think we will see a LNER Class P2 in N. Been following the A1 Steam Locomotive Trust under the guise of the P2 Steam Locomotive Company and the build of their P2 and see Hornby are releasing one in OO in conjunction with them. We had a model of their Class A1 Tornado in N, so am hoping we get to see the P2 as well.

Shiney Sheff · February 16, 2021, 02:47:12 PM

It would be nice

Skyline2uk · February 16, 2021, 03:31:17 PM

This is a fascinating question.

I know nothing about the prototype (other than it was big, had an unusual wheel configuration and was later rebuilt into awkward looking versions).

I would say anything is possible but it will need somebody willing to sink a lot of money into it and correspondingly will create a high RRP.

Ironically if only the "new build" one was offered in model form it will appeal to only collectors and the ultra-modern image crowd!

Having said that, without knowing what details there are between the "new" one and the original 7 (?), maybe tooling would allow originals to be offered as well? That would surely make more economic sense.

Speculation on my part of course.

Skyline2uk

Newportnobby · February 16, 2021, 03:45:33 PM

Sadly experimental prototypes are unlikely to feature in RTR plans owing to small sales potential.
Forum member East Anglian has created one, though.......

I would love to get a RTR 'Kestrel', 'Falcon' and 'Lion'

martyn · February 16, 2021, 04:12:04 PM

Unlikely, probably.

There were three main versions in a class of six, and even then the last four had subtle boiler differences.

P2/1 unstreamlined, smoke deflectors, poppet valves. One engine

P2/2 unstreamlined, piston valves, smoke deflectors. One engine. Front of engine visually different to the P2/1.

Both these later rebuilt to P2/3.

P2/3 streamlined similarly to but not the same as A4s. Four engines.

Very restricted area of use, although some, but not all, had trials on the ECML. Limited time span before rebuilding to Pacifics.

If the newbuilds are successful, it may lead to interest : also Rule 1.

Are there not rival P2 societies, one building unstreamlined, one building streamlined? I'm afraid I'm now rather out of touch with the preservation movements.

Martyn

east anglian · February 16, 2021, 04:14:51 PM

Hi Martyn, yes your right I have built all 3 versions,

msr · February 16, 2021, 05:59:48 PM

I posted photos of one of @east anglian's marvels which he did for me back in 2014. Here are a couple of shots again:

PLD · February 16, 2021, 09:05:44 PM

Quote from: martyn on February 16, 2021, 04:12:04 PM
Are there not rival P2 societies, one building unstreamlined, one building streamlined? I'm afraid I'm now rather out of touch with the preservation movements.

P2 Steam Locomotive Company (an associate of the A1 Steam Locomotive Trust who built Tornado) are building a 7th class member in original style incorpotating engineering developments and "lessons learned" to be practical for present day main line use. It is to be numbered 2007 and named "Prince of Wales".
The rolling chassis is complete plus the cab fabricated and Boiler cladding sheetwork ready. The boiler is I believe ordered from the same German works that did Tornado's.

Doncaster P2 Locomotive Trust are building a replica 2001 "'male chicken' (changed by forum) of the North" in 1938 form with A4 style front end casing.
So far they have the main frames cut but little else.

CumbriaPhil · February 16, 2021, 09:18:08 PM

The new build P2 boiler is exactly the same as Tornado's. The Trust has ordered two boilers from the German builders, Meinigen Works, one for the P2 and one as a spare for Tornado. When the P2 comes into service the boilers will all be interchangable, thus speeding up overhauls.

east anglian · February 16, 2021, 10:21:24 PM

P2 PRINCE OF WALES I have visited the Darlington works and have seen the progress on its build, a lot of its construction is the same as on TORNADO this was done to save exspensive parts being manufactured ex boiler wheels and other bits are the same as TORNADO and as no one has seen a real P2 they would not know, I was told it would be up and running in 5 years but that was 2 years ago, unfortunately due to present circumstances things have ground to a halt, the works is next to the museum and worth a visit they have a model huge model of the W1 HUSH HUSH which I remember came from the engineering museum in Newcastle when it closed down.

njee20 · February 16, 2021, 10:41:29 PM

The Hush Hush is a great looking loco (pre-rebuild obviously), shame it didn't survive!

east anglian · February 17, 2021, 10:08:50 AM

Could not agree more, its style was years ahead of its time,

Dalteth · February 17, 2021, 09:39:43 PM

Quote from: msr on February 16, 2021, 05:59:48 PM
I posted photos of one of @east anglian's marvels which he did for me back in 2014. Here are a couple of shots again:

Looks superb!

w greatbatch · February 17, 2021, 11:28:26 PM

I'd really love one of those !!!!

east anglian · February 18, 2021, 10:42:36 AM

Cannot believe it was 7 years ago,