KR Models expressions of interest

[acko22]

Hi all,

So another expressions of interest coming from KR Models and so far nothing to show in N gauge after what is it 3 or 4 years?

I just find their whole logic well backwards, they have been told and no doubt watch the whole DJM Saga unfold yet they are determined to repeat the same mistakes:

Poor research - Lets be honest the Consett Iron Ore Wagon was on RMweb for a matter of hours when the errors were picked up and they were duly taken back to school over the errors! The the same with the nuclear flasks which was well about as accurate as an member of the RAF armed with a rifle!

Announcing another model - May that be to purchase or EOI but doing this showing zero progress on any projects that are on going, well people aren't going to show any interest as well there so far seems to be nothing to show any interest for!

Saying they want to do it in N gauge - Then hardly making an appearance on the largest Gauge specific website for your target audience, and even then ignoring what people are saying to them on the forum or at least not answering some of the common questions.

They have the Cad for the Shark and I honestly do not know how good or bad it is (some of you more into that can answer that one) but just get that done then we can either say yes its a good model and I would be willing to hand over some of our cash for a model of an xxx or nope for that price I expect better or finally its a good start but I want to see more before I hand over cash to get it made! Until then it is following the same weary road that DJM laid down and that will quickly lose them potential customers.

[longbow]

Rather harsh, don't you think? Their main pitch is clearly to 4mm modellers, so it's reasonable enough to test the waters for N Gauge versions of the OO offerings. They are modelling esoteric prototypes that aren't easy to research. And unlike DJM they aren't taking money up front for their 2mm proposals.

Scepticism is understandable given the DJM debacle and the fact that they have yet to ship their first product. However the sledging that KR have been getting, especially over at RMWeb, has gone completely over the top. Forums like this should be encouraging RTR initiatives - heaven knows there aren't many of them in our scale. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[acko22]

Rather harsh, don't you think? Their main pitch is clearly to 4mm modellers, so it's reasonable enough to test the waters for N Gauge versions of the OO offerings. They are modelling esoteric prototypes that aren't well documented. And unlike DJM they aren't taking money up front for their 2mm proposals.

Honestly no, sometimes you have to be harsh to be kind....

I remember KR at Warley their first year I think 2016 and I did ask questions as there was some more niche stuff that despite not been my era of modelling I would like to see (Bo-Co, class 15) and was told that 2mm was the primary audience as Keith was a 2mm modeller, now with such niche model I am in no way surprised that 4mm has been more the go to scale for these models.

But they are asking for interest in lots of niche models that even on their own with a known and established brand would struggle, it's exactly what DJM did of course with the exception that KR are not taking peoples money for them which I do applaud them on not repeating that exercise!

As for esoteric prototypes that aren't well documented, maybe they could be excused for the ball being dropped for 1 or 2 minor issues but when they have been called for major issues on the GT3, FELL, IQA/KUA Nuclear flasks (Which was a complete balls up) and now the Consett Iron Ore Wagon for glaring errors which the material is easily available (NRM has the complete drawings for the GT3,FELL and Consett Iron Ore Wagon of course at a price), these kind of mistakes do not inspire confidence!

I am sure that I am not the only thinking right now they need to concentrate on producing one or two good quality model without errors and are more mainstream, such as their shark and maybe a follow up. Before they start chasing these ultra niche one off prototypes that are never going to be massive sellers and struggle regardless of who offers them (there may be a reason Farish or Dapol have zero interest in them).

As of right this minute they aren't a huge presence on forums to their customers / crowdfunders and making plenty of announcements but little actual progress this is identical to DJM and that doesn't inspire confidence for people to be willing to part with cash especially those who were stung before!

Honestly I wish them success but on current form I don't see things boding well for them in N gauge especially, unless they get out of the ruts of the wrong path taken before!

[RailGooner]

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about as accurate as an member of the RAF armed with a rifle!
...

During my sixteen years service in the RAF I could very often be found carrying a rifle and unfortunately on more than one occasion had cause to use one for the intended purpose.

[woodbury22uk]

I believe that KR Models were at Warley in 2018 not 2016, so only two years since announcement of the first 00 gauge project.

The Kickstarter for the Pendolino was live at Warley 2014 and the RevolutioN  trains started to be delivered in early 2018. I know it was a vastly more complicated project, but there was at least a chance to scan the full sized one. And RevolutioN announced and delivered other things along the way.

I do not believe that KR Models have the level of expertise that the RevolutioN team exhibits, but none the less, moving them towards being better would surely be a good move. There is always a string of arguments about how poor others are at running their business, and looking at the recent posts on the RMWeb topics it is very clear that there are a few individuals keen to undermine everything that the Revell family try to do. The clue is the vehemence in the posts, reminiscent of pulling the pin from a grenade and tossing it over a balcony, just to see how much damage can be done.

[Bingley Hall]

I believe that KR Models were at Warley in 2018 not 2016, so only two years since announcement of the first 00 gauge project.

The Kickstarter for the Pendolino was live at Warley 2014 and the RevolutioN  trains started to be delivered in early 2018. I know it was a vastly more complicated project, but there was at least a chance to scan the full sized one. And RevolutioN announced and delivered other things along the way.

I do not believe that KR Models have the level of expertise that the RevolutioN team exhibits, but none the less, moving them towards being better would surely be a good move. There is always a string of arguments about how poor others are at running their business, and looking at the recent posts on the RMWeb topics it is very clear that there are a few individuals keen to undermine everything that the Revell family try to do. The clue is the vehemence in the posts, reminiscent of pulling the pin from a grenade and tossing it over a balcony, just to see how much damage can be done.

Well said.

[Bob G]

FWIW I've now got two NGS Shark kits on the go. I reckon that it will be another decade before there an RTR one (unless Kernow/EFE has one up their sleeve).  I just can't see KR getting round to doing this model.

Now that it is proven that I have extraordinary psychic powers, I shall go further and predict the shrink ray on the Kernow PBA Clay Tigers 

Bob

[emjaybee]

FWIW I've now got two NGS Shark kits on the go. I reckon that it will be another decade before there an RTR one (unless Kernow/EFE has one up their sleeve).  I just can't see KR getting round to doing this model.

Now that it is proven that I have extraordinary psychic powers, I shall go further and predict the shrink ray on the Kernow PBA Clay Tigers 

Bob

I am convinced of, and am in awe of your superlative powers.

Now be a good fellow and send out some positive waves for 'The Twins'.

Thanking you in advance, I'll get my cheque book ready.

[Bob G]

Now be a good fellow and send out some positive waves for 'The Twins'.

Following a quick time travelling trip, I can confidently predict that the Twins will be announced by Bachmann in 2022 at TINGS But we wont be able to buy them until 2025.
In 2022 there will also be a female republican president in the White House and Wales will be the second country to separate from the Union.
Covid-21 will be like a bad head cold but will wipe our long term memory, so we will be like goldfish living every day like it is full of amazing discoveries.
Musically we will have 30 second songs because we won't be able to remember anything which is longer than a post on TikTok.
A 3 minute Eurovision song will feel like a 25 minute Yes track.
Amazon and Apple will merge to form Mackeson and will be the largest personal computer, personal protective equipment and personal milk stout supplier globally.
KR Models announce a crowdfunded model of DJM's ill fated HUO hopper, only to pull it when EFE release 25 weathered versions at once.

Need I go on?

HTH
Bob

[emjaybee]

Now be a good fellow and send out some positive waves for 'The Twins'.

Following a quick time travelling trip, I can confidently predict that the Twins will be announced by Bachmann in 2022 at TINGS But we wont be able to buy them until 2025.
In 2022 there will also be a female republican president in the White House and Wales will be the second country to separate from the Union.
Covid-21 will be like a bad head cold but will wipe our long term memory, so we will be like goldfish living every day like it is full of amazing discoveries.
Musically we will have 30 second songs because we won't be able to remember anything which is longer than a post on TikTok.
A 3 minute Eurovision song will feel like a 25 minute Yes track.
Amazon and Apple will merge to form Mackeson and will be the largest personal computer, personal protective equipment and personal milk stout supplier globally.
KR Models announce a crowdfunded model of DJM's ill fated HUO hopper, only to pull it when EFE release 25 weathered versions at once.

Need I go on?

HTH
Bob

I'm in !   

Sign me up!

I stopped reading after you said we'd be getting The Twins, I'm assuming the rest is nothing to worry about.

I'm off to open a savings account to amass the, what will be, sizeable sum required to buy the 2025 Twins, which I'm assuming with the march of technology will have DCC controlled crew with realistic roll ups in the corners of their mouths waving at people trackside who are marvelling at these steam-less wonders.

Cool!

[Newportnobby]

@Bob G
You appear to have forgotten the moon was indeed found to be made of cheese and that Wallace & Gromit have obtained exclusive mining rights.

[Bob G]

@Bob G
You appear to have forgotten the moon was indeed found to be made of cheese and that Wallace & Gromit have obtained exclusive mining rights.

@Newportnobby nah that's on page 2