just because I'm Paranoid ...

[Mr Sprue]

So what happens then if like me you have Google timeline turned on then?  I'm able to view my stats back to 2016 and view everywhere I have been!

That's YOUR CHOICE to have timeline turned on and it's Google storing it with your permission... It has absolutely no relevance to future use of the NHS app...

Oh okay I've just read this app works via Bluetooth so that blows the Google bit out of the equation doesn't it? FWIW and yes to have google switched IS MY CHOICE, some years back I was arrested and locked up over a weekend for a hit and run I did not commit, had google been around then it would have been a lot easier to prove my innocence!

I think the quote goes: Nothing to hide Nothing to fear!

[Newportnobby]

Mobile signal where I live is just crap so why would I buy a smart phone when I can't even use the basic jobbie I have anyway? I use a mobile to phone and text - period, end of.
One happy Luddite

Sorry Mick you'm only a pseudo Luddite, us real Luddites don't have any mobile phone, pad or tablet, use a land line to phone, no text, no fartbook, nor twatter! I will admit  to 2 PCs and a Laptop, all running Win7 pro 64bit with updates turned off.

@Dorsetmike
No pad, no tablet (apart from my meds), landline use only unless I'm out (duh), no farcebook nor the others, 4th hand laptop running XP.
I reckon I'm pretty far up the pseuds ladder

[lil chris]

I have a friend and his  wife who never have flu jabs or anything like that. He is 76 and has a bad back and can hardly walk she has diabetes. He does not have a smart phone she does, will she get the app ? if a jab comes out will they both have this one ?.
If it helps me avoid getting this awfull virus I will have the app if it still works on my old smart phone (Samsung S6), what they on now S20.

[Mr Sprue]

Seems many Islanders are not happy about the app! I originate from the I.O.W and still have family there, I spoke to my cousin Jan the other night concerns are, apart from being used as guinea pigs, If people have installed the app they might take for granted that being tracked there is no need to worry so much about abiding the lockdown.

She also mentioned another big worry is many "Overlanders" come here to retire so the island has quite a large elderly population, miss use of the app could put them at a higher risk and in turn increase the infection rate on the island!

[The Q]

Mobile signal where I live is just crap so why would I buy a smart phone when I can't even use the basic jobbie I have anyway? I use a mobile to phone and text - period, end of.
One happy Luddite

Same here..

[Bealman]

While I am certainly not dismissing the current virus situation as trivial - hell, no!! - I really think the fuss over this app is over the top. As far as personal data on the internet,go, it's out there anyway. Google knows where you are and who you are! Most transactions are reasonably safe. I have never, so far, touch wood, had a problem with an online financial transaction. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or it won't happen to me, it's just that I trust the system.

I have had to change my email address a couple of times, because people on this forum were receiving rubbish stuff, supposedly from me!

I have not downloaded our version of the app (even though five million Aussies have, as I write this), not because I have any particular problem with it data-wise, but I can't really see the point.

But there again, I've never had a flu shot, either. 

[Graham]

well said,

[GrahamB]

It seems the data just sits on your phone and gets deleted after a certain number of days. Also, apart from switching off Bluetooth, there doesn't seem to be any user interaction so little to no chance of misuse.

However, my wife and I were playing yesterday (I'm ex Telecoms) and we found we could "see" each other via Bluetooth up to fifty yards away. Hopefully the app will look at signal strength/connection duration to provide some sort of threshold before logging the connection. Otherwise a simple drive down the high street in my car could mean I'm in semi permanent isolation.

[Mr Sprue]

@Bealman As I have already commented " Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" Good old Google can track me for as long as it wants! 

[Snowwolflair]

I pass on my older Apple phones to my wife and kids.  I leave the "find my phone " enabled so I always know where they are.  Really useful when I take my wife to the SALES.  I can go for a coffee and know where to find her later. 

It works as well in reverse, she uses the play sound on my phone to tell me when to come and pay. 




One thought from a Hong Kong friend who travels a lot in China on their tracking apps. If you "don't" then you go to the front of their list as a a person of interest.  Anonymity is do as the rest of the herd do.

[railsquid]

Via The Register:

UK COVID-19 contact-tracing app data may be kept for 'research' after crisis ends, MPs told

...

Written by tech arm NHSX, Britain's contact-tracing app breaks with international convention by opting for a centralised model of data collection: all the contact-tracing data is kept under one roof in one central government database.

...



Personally I think such an app is in principle a good idea, but the practice (and peoples) behind this one is far from convincing.

[acko22]

Hi all,

So the conspiracy theorists will be having a field day for weeks to come on this one, the government know where you are, big brother is here, etc, etc, etc

Lets be frank if you are reading this then you have nothing to fear from this NHS app you already have an electronic signature and as such your info is already out there!!! That's the reality of the modern information led world, so those who think by not down loading the app is keeping themselves hidden truth be told those days are long gone!
What this app does is filter out the cluster for a specific information set to allow the track and trace of any potential further spread of the virus as such hopefully limiting it and maybe just maybe get us out of our prison cells known as home!

[Snowwolflair]

Hi all,

So the conspiracy theorists will be having a field day for weeks to come on this one, the government know where you are, big brother is here, etc, etc, etc

Lets be frank if you are reading this then you have nothing to fear from this NHS app you already have an electronic signature and as such your info is already out there!!! That's the reality of the modern information led world, so those who think by not down loading the app is keeping themselves hidden truth be told those days are long gone!
What this app does is filter out the cluster for a specific information set to allow the track and trace of any potential further spread of the virus as such hopefully limiting it and maybe just maybe get us out of our prison cells known as home!

Absolutely, this is where a little knowledge in the public domain is very dangerous.  Those of us who understand what is going on know we have been over a barrel for at least ten years. 

The only irony of the situation is the government is finally turning out/buying in IT systems that work (ish) and it is happening un-commentated on.

[honestjudge]

You can't stop people getting emotional about this subject,  but it also right that people are allowed to freely express concerns about their privacy without being considered an enemy of the state, anti government,  or NHS.
I am happy to comply but I haven't got a problem with those that don't. Personally I doubt there are a significant amount of smart phone users that will make this app useful.

[gavin_t]

I don't have a problem with the data collection and as mentioned above google maps etc are already doing this anyway.

I feel the problem will be the user as its relies on people using the app correctly. what is to stop people saying they have symptoms and creating false alerts?

Mine will be going off all the time with alerts as I work in a hospital