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4 wheel carriages??
« on: March 23, 2020, 09:22:41 AM »
Hi, I am looking for some 4 wheel carriages like these. Preferable SR or SR&CR:

https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/lcdr/3360_3188_0478_18jun16h.jpg

Do they exist in N scale? (I can't find any...)

thank you for your help/advise!
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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2020, 10:11:36 AM »
Other than the old Farish ones which tend to go for insane prices (and are somewhat generic), you're looking at kits for options or scratch building them.

Kit-wise, Osbornes Models have just released a new set of laser etched wood kits for GWR pattern 4 wheelers that can be re-painted to look pretty good for a lot of different liveries.

https://www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-gwr-4-weeled-coach-kits---pack-of-a-5-coach-rake-47996-p.asp

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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 10:15:21 AM »
Another option is to do a bit of slice and dicing on suburban coaches. If you use Peco 15ft brake van chassis, you can chop an old Farish suburban carriage into make two 4 wheel coaches (or use the N Gauge society 6 wheel chassis to make a 6 wheeler). You'll need to scratch build one end on each and do some filling and repainting, but you can make pretty good 4 wheel coaches this way.

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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2020, 10:29:55 AM »
There's some nice four wheeled coaches on Shapeways. Etched Pixels have some on his shop, I believe the @Snowwolflair used these, so if you can find his thread on them. They came out very well.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2020, 11:24:29 AM »
Osborne's do a series of kits for 4-wheel stock, using laser cut timber.

https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborns-carriage-and-wagon-works-kits-1260-c.asp

They are ostensibly GWR in origin, but with some modification and some imagination they could represent what you are looking for.

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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2020, 02:17:23 PM »
I've done some SR constituent coaches but LB&SCR and LSWR rather than SECR.

Whilst each company had its own style the more common vehicles are much the same for all of them except for details like some of the panelling style and square versus round cornered windows.

Some of the GWR ones are very distinctive because they have round topped doors - originally so you could open them in a metropolitan line or similar tunnel in an emergency.

The old Farish ones actually look a *lot* better on a six wheel chassis because of their length. There were four wheel vehicles that long but generally they started out as six wheelers and got adjusted - particularly on the Isle of Wight.

You can make a passable six wheel chassis with two Peco 15' brake van chassis and a saw
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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2020, 03:24:45 PM »
Here is a link to a topic on 3d printed North London Railway 4 wheeled coaches. These coaches ended up everywhere in the UK. All the big four companies possessed them.
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=48163.0
I also agree with what the others say as well, etched pixels and Osborn models...

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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 03:32:38 PM »
wow, that saves a lot of investigation time. But I think it's a  missed opportunity for Dapol, GF or others not to have a nice range of 4 wheelers. 
Any other tips are still welcome! :thankyousign:
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2020, 03:33:25 PM »
You could also take a look at some of the european 4-wheelers by Minitrix and Fleischmann etc. - there might be something suitable for bashing.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 03:38:10 PM »
The Farish ones have been mentioned. This one could be a starting point (ok so it's one more door per side and there are other differences, but from normal viewing distances.....?   Depends how perfectly accurate you need the coach to be?

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2020, 03:42:59 PM »
found this pdf, 1978. Look at those prices...
http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham%20Farish%20Poster%201978.pdf
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Re: 4 wheel carriages??
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2020, 04:24:06 PM »
Purely by chance whilst looking for a photo of a 6 wheel SECR coach to show how similar it is to the Farish ones I discovered this which looks even more ideal

http://www.rue-d-etropal.com/3D-printing/passenger-stock-sr/3d_printed_secr-6wheel-pushpull.htm

lots of other good stuff there too .. must resist 8)

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