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Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« on: January 13, 2020, 02:20:17 PM »
Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract

the link :  https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/direct-rail-services-awarded-ford-car-freight-train-contract.html
Direct Rail Services has announced that it has been awarded a contract to operate Ford Automotive rail services between Dagenham and Garston.

DRS will be working with transport specialist STVA UK to transport cars between the Ford factory in Dagenham to their rail terminal just outside Liverpool.

Carrying a mixture of double-deck and single-deck wagons made to transport cars and vans, each train will carry around 190 vehicles.

The new rail service will operate between six to eight times a week with potential for expansion for up to 10 services.

Whilst the terminals are non-electrified, the operator will use bi-mode Class 88s for the entire journey, with electric power being used for the majority of the journey. Remember the period 1988 - 2000 RfD Grey 47s / 86s ? could be interesting period


https://www.directrailservices.com/news-articles/2020/01/13/new-year-new-ford-contract-for-direct-rail-services

anyone who can shed light on which wagons which will be used ?
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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2020, 02:22:24 PM »
Ooo, interesting. 88s up the WCML. Fingers crossed Dapol announce one, to go with the Revolution IPAs.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2020, 02:31:21 PM »

anyone who can shed light on which wagons which will be used ?

Hopefully Revolution IPA's, full sized ones of course.

As there are only 10 CL88's in the world, and AFAIK Dapol don't have a lock on a model, then it's more likely that Revolution or some other crowdfunder would do an 88. The CL68 and CL88 are only very superficially similar and reading on RMWEB a CL88 would require completely new tooling.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2020, 02:38:53 PM »
Yep I've been following the 88 thread too, but I wonder if this makes them a more viable prospect, as it markedly increases their reach, and may result in additional locos/liveries. No one knows (or those who do haven't commented) what the score is with the rights; Dapol didn't get them at the same time as the 68, but that was a while ago.

It will be IPAs I'm sure, no reason to change the rolling stock, AFAIK the operator has already changed from EWS/DB to GBRF. Means the end of Caledonian 92s on this flow mind.

Must finish my bi-level IPAs!
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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2020, 09:13:34 PM »
anyone who can shed light on which wagons which will be used ?

STVA own all the IPAs so it will be them continuing just with a change of loco at the front as DRS take over, although with these STVA have got some container flats which have had decks put on to supplement their car carrying rakes, which is no surprise given that 4 trains are pathed into ford (Liverpool) each day and as of late each path has been used!

As for Dapol doing the 88s well its not beyond the realms of possibility both share the same cab and bogies so they have about 35% of the work done for body shell and the internals can be the exact ones from the 68.
But thats up to dapol if they think it's worth it should we pester them enough!

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2020, 09:22:14 PM »
As nick says could be interesting to model with revolution trains' cartics. Thought this maybe an interesting discussion

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2020, 09:57:51 AM »
Are class 88s true bi-model like the Hitachi 800/0s in service with GWR. Looking at the spec for the 88, power output  on the overhead is 4000kw and on the diesel it is 700kw so if it has to use diesel on the main line I would have thought it would have struggled with a train load of vehicles. I was given to understand it was a "Final Mile" set up, what ever that is meant to be. I wonder why they are paired with a 68 on the Bridgwater flasks, are they capable of hauling a dead 68 and two flasks?

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2020, 10:05:27 AM »
Class 88 are listed as dual mode. Unashamedly I wikipedia the locou

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2020, 12:24:42 PM »
I think you probably answered your own question - they're a little underpowered on diesel only, but it's adequate to get a train moving. I would assume that car trains are comparatively light (compared to say aggregates), so presumably 950hp is enough to get it to the wires. I guess the vast majority of the route is electrified (certainly once on the main line), so it remains a "last mile" prospect really.

Here's the path taken, that looks to be overwhelmingly electrified to me. It's also pathed as 1200 tonnes, so not particularly heavy. That's a bit less than most container traffic, and shed loads less than some oil or aggregates services, which can be up to 4000 tonnes.

I imagine we'll see double headed 88s.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2020, 12:43:23 PM »
Are class 88s true bi-model like the Hitachi 800/0s  I was given to understand it was a "Final Mile" set up, what ever that is meant to be. I wonder why they are paired with a 68 on the Bridgwater flasks, are they capable of hauling a dead 68 and two flasks?

They are classed as Bi-modal but its a funny one! Running as purely class 88 (either as a pair or individual) it is purely for the final mile or shunt capability which in the case of this flow and the intermodal services is what they will do on a daily basis.
But if they run with a 68 for say flask traffic they are capable of using the 68 as a power source for mainline speeds should they not be under the wires, I have seen a few flask runs through Crewe and as a rule they will run from Sellafield to Carnforth using the 68s power then pan up while under the wires then as they come off the wires return to using the 68 as its power source, in this way they can keep to full mainline speed throughout. With the added bonus of having a back up should the overheads cut out or a diversion is needed!

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2020, 01:29:18 PM »
It's interesting that the Wikipedia article explicitly says the 88 is a 'full' bi-mode loco, rather than simply being last mile, although it notes the massively reduced power available on diesel. Presumably there's more to it than just the power output to differentiate between last mile and 'proper' bi-mode.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2020, 02:16:48 PM »


Here's the path taken, that looks to be overwhelmingly electrified to me.


I hadn't realised current day freight ran quite so slowly still. 0818 to 1700 from Dagenham to Garston.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2020, 02:35:59 PM »
I hadn't realised current day freight ran quite so slowly still. 0818 to 1700 from Dagenham to Garston.

There's nearly 3 hours of crew changes and siting in sidings, so just 6 hours actually running.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2020, 04:45:21 PM »
Yeah, 90 minutes at Wembley, plus an hour at Crewe. Guess it's still far quicker than moving that volume of cars by road. 6-8 cars per IPA, 40ish per rake, so that's c300 cars per train.

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Re: Direct Rail Services awarded Ford car freight train contract
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2020, 05:18:07 PM »
And I still remem ber class 85s  or 47s waiting in rugby adjacent to the down fast waiting a path north with cartics.that was before 2006 and the extensive remodelling. The time waiting is probably for a path to proceed
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