KR Models Fell 10100

[NGS-PO]

Looking at the OO Gauge Wishlist Poll on RM Web, the Fell:

Placed 9th, with 156 votes in the Diesel, Electric, Gas Turbine Locomotive section, tied with the class 82. 
8th was Class 20 with 160 votes
7th was class 83 with 170 votes.
Top of that section was the class 89 with 290
2nd was another single prototype, 10800 with 219. 

Placed as it is, it is classed as high polling.

That said, it isn't in the top 50 Locomotives of any type.

There were 2511 voters in the poll, so 6% wanted someone to produce a Fell.*

As a point of comparison, 8.7% wanted a 10800, and Rails of Sheffield have announced that will soon be in production, i.e. not crowdfunded, indicating they feel there is a sufficient market.*

I agree with Craig in that I very much doubt there is similar demand in N.


*Someone please check my maths!

[N_GaugeModeller]

As suggested elsewhere what we need (especially as RMWeb dropped n-gauge from their's) is an N-Gauge wish list, that can be made available to the few N-Gauge makers so that they know what we might be prepared to spend our pennies on.

How about it Tank?

[NGS-PO]

There already is a group working on an N Gauge Wishlist Poll at present.

Best

Scott

[njee20]

A group of us are looking at it, and frankly are not far off putting something out there I suspect.

There are myriad caveats around it though:
- people say they'll buy something but then what they mean is only if it's number 293, in the livery it wore for 20 minutes in May 1948 with the wonky name plates
- people say they want something, but then have a limited budget and don't buy, because the time is wrong, or in reality it doesn't fit with their layout etc
- the numbers of respondents are usually small, and extrapolating small sample sizes is a risky proposition.
- it's hard to capture data on numbers - people will usually buy multiple wagons, but fewer locos

[red_death]

I think the point about lack of data is crucial, particularly when things are more "risky" propositions. We benefited (and continue to benefit) massively from inherent market research of crowdfunding and also asking for expressions of interest.

The difficulty is always getting sufficient people to fill in a wider survey to make it useful.  I suspect that all the manufacturers have looked at previous N gauge polls and come away with two thoughts: it may have reinforced existing ideas, but largely that the N gauge market is either happy with what it has or not interested in sufficient numbers to justify tooling something new.

When the wishlist poll team are ready then I hope that it will feature prominently in the NGS Journal asking people to complete it - OK it might take a few minutes but the potential benefits to everyone if a large chunk of the NGS membership completed it would be really great for everyone.  Perhaps we'd discover that there is a large pent up demand for pre-big 4 stock, or that sectorisation is the new transition era etc...

Cheers Mike

[Bob Tidbury]

The other thing is how is the question asked for instance
What is  the  favourite LOCO in your collection ?
MY answer would have been the Dapol class 68
But if the question was what is  your favourite model it would have been the Revolution Pendolino ,because that is NOT a loco I couldn't have said that as an answer to the first question .
I'm not very good at putting things into words but I think you get what I mean .
Bob Tidbury

[martyn]

Mike/red-death and njee20;

will the poll be elsewhere, (here on the Forum?) or just in the Journal?

What about the significant percentage of N Gauge modellers not in the Society?

Thanks

martyn

[NGS-PO]

Martyn,

The poll will be freely available on the internet for all to take part in.

I believe Mike was just making the point that it needs to be publicised far and wide to ensure everyone knows about it, hence his suggestion to make sure it is in the journal.

It will not be restricted to the nGS. It has no connection with the NGS at all.

Best

Scott

[martyn]

Many thanks for the prompt reply, Scott.

Martyn

[dannyboy]

The other thing is how is the question asked for instance

Whenever I see or hear survey questions, I always think of the clever sketch from the brilliant programme "Yes Minister/Prime Minister"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

[BramptonBranch]

Reading this topic with interest, I know about the Fell, worked locally (Derbyshire)  wouldn't particularly want one, think labelling folk who do "collector's cabinet fillers" is unfair (your hobby your choice.)
Also DP1 is available as RTR,
Lion, Kestrel, Falcon DP2 10800 gas turbine LMS twins all available as kits if you need one enough.
Shapeways for the co bo and EM1 and EM2 all three of which I would buy RTR!
What about a 0-4 -0 steam or diesel that would be appealing.

Andy

[njee20]

Mike/red-death and njee20;

will the poll be elsewhere, (here on the Forum?) or just in the Journal?

What about the significant percentage of N Gauge modellers not in the Society?

Yep, as Scott says, one of the main reasons we've not yet put anything out there is because we need to agree where to host it! RMWeb hosts the OO Gauge poll, and whilst it may not be popular to say so here, it is the busiest forum by some margin. That said it is also a commercial entity and they've been quite up front that any N Gauge Poll would need to pass their rigorous expectation! The reality is that wherever it is hosted there is a need to reach as many people as possible - so NGS Journal, Groups.io, here, RMWeb etc.

Apologies for the hijack.

[guest311]

The other thing is how is the question asked for instance

Whenever I see or hear survey questions, I always think of the clever sketch from the brilliant programme "Yes Minister/Prime Minister"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

one of the best comedy series ever, IMHO

[Bob G]

The other thing is how is the question asked for instance

Whenever I see or hear survey questions, I always think of the clever sketch from the brilliant programme "Yes Minister/Prime Minister"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

I feel all my hard work and all my collaborators hard work is going to be considered worthless now that that clip has been aired.
Honestly we think the survey we have worked on is the best in many years...partly because there has not been one for a few years...
It will go live soon. Somewhere supportive.
Bob

[Tank]

I have no problem if it were to be posted or hosted on here.   I feel that this is something that is needed in the hobby.  I'd certainly love to put the time in for doing things like this myself, but this isn't a full time job, so I'm always busy with work and family life.  The more hands to help our hobby the better for us all.