Woman killed as she leaned out of train window

[RailGooner]

Even the loco crew (rear cab) are joining in!

[Bealman]

If it happened to the loco crew member, they might all have been in trouble!

Maybe he was yelling at them all to get their heads in 

[NScaleNotes]

As technology gets smarter society gets dumber!

Hmmm, I've been pondering this more as I've been working and perhaps it's not that people are dumber, it's just that we don't always have experience of a World unlike the one we grew up in. So perhaps we are not be able to accurately access the dangers as well as someone that grew up around those things whatever they are.
To put it another way how many of us could safely use a completely alien technology first time. Experienced users of those tools might look upon that as stupid.

However, ignoring instincts and warning signs that are already in place is something altogether different...

[railsquid]

To put it another way how many of us could safely use a completely alien technology first time.

I wish I'd filmed Mrs. Railsquid (who hails from Japan) the first time she encountered a "classic" British-style carriage door (ca. 2012) with its 19th century operating technique (though by that time the train had been brutally dragged into the 20th century with the adoption of a mechanism known as "central locking").

TBH I have travelled on many trains across the world, including decrepit Eastern European ones, and have yet to encounter another railway with a mechanism which requires you to open the window and lean outside the train just to open the bl**dy door. Don't think I've come across any which didn't have some kind of automatic closing mechanism outside of museum coaches either.

[guest311]

don't think it actually requires you to lean out of the window, simply put your arm out to grasp the outside handle. nitpicking, I know.

was I imagining it or was it not long ago that there was supposed to be a whole raft of H&S imposed on excursions etc where there was even talk of having bars across windows to stop idiots poking their heads out ?

if these applied to specials, why did they not apply to sewrvice trains as well ?

[acko22]

Hi all,

Right so sadly this young lady dies but there are multiple factors both human and physical to this which not just the industry but us as collective (as in everyone who uses a train).

So does the industry need to do some remedial action yes- without rose tinted glasses on (too young) line side use to be kept clear of foliage in steam days to prevent track side fires, do we need to be quite so dramatic these days no, not with bushes or ground level foliage. However trees yes we do they present so many dangers! Not only could they have the effect they have in this case but also line side trees falling and blocking lines is becoming a growing issue.

All that been said though what about tunnels, bridges, and even other trains (Waterloo is notorious for clearance between trains), rail operators have warning signs up about the dangers how big do they need to be considering that people been fatally injured on the railways isn't a new issue and this type of incident has been widely reported numerous times before! (Again at Waterloo a gent was fatally injured sticking his head out of a class 442 and been struck by an oncoming train)

There is a point where cannot blame an industry for what happened and we are at that point for numerous of the incidents that have come to light recently, my it be this one because yes she hit a tree that shouldn't be there but it could have as easily been a bridge or a tunnel mouth.

While her death is a tragic incident she was safely on the train in a safe environment and placed herself outside of that safe environment, it was her choice to put her head out not the industries and sadly she paid a high price for that choice.