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Author Topic: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.  (Read 1372 times)

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2019, 09:26:37 PM »
I'm still filling and filing at the moment on these, so looking ahead...

...I'm going to need transfers.

The big LMS is no problem, I can get them in spades, but is there anyone who does custom number runs of decals?

I need set of numbers for a few of these wagons, along with Tare ratings etc.

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2019, 01:02:23 AM »
Try RAILTEC   No connection with them except as a satisfied customer.

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2019, 11:31:40 PM »
I've fired off a couple of emails to Fox and Railtec for the transfers I'm after, we'll see if they're able to help.

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2019, 04:57:20 PM »
I think I've solved the issue of the side doors being flat, and should be profiled.

I've chamfered the top edge of the doors, thinned the side 'legs' by the doors so they can tuck in a little closer to the chassis. The alloy chassis of these wagons has been narrowed by about 2mm to allow this movement. With the Fleischmann bogies this would restrict the minimum radii too much, but with the diamond pattern bogies the radii is still adequate to cope with at least 10" curves.

So it's a little bit of modification with a little bit of optical illusion. The doors are still predominantly flat, but now look like they have a curved profile.

It's difficult to see in the following picture, but it gives a bit of a idea of the shape change of the top hopper.


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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2019, 05:32:02 PM »
Seriously looking good mike. I take it they handle curves and points without the risk of couplings becoming detached and fouling / buffer locking ? Chris

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2019, 09:22:31 AM »
Just in case you haven't come across this site.............

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2019, 09:36:45 AM »
Well if that's true, the original poster is gonna need a 9F  ;)

Would need to be a Minitrix one as a Dapol one might pull one wagon :-X

Just to balance and old argument. My three Dapol 9Fs happily pull 20 Anhydrite wagons and a brake van, although the front pony does argue with some points but then so do the Minitrix ones

That's a mean bit of triple-headed power  ;)


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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2019, 09:38:32 AM »
Just a little bit off topic, but the German style of wagon also operated in block trains on the Southern Region of BR in the 1960s/1970s. They were referred to as LHBs as they were built by Linke Hoffmann Busch. I think they may have worked for a company subsequently absorbed into Hall Aggregates, and then RMC. Not near my books at the moment to confirm the owner and route.

I have now identified these 20 wagons as operating in sand traffic between Lavant, Chichester and Drayton for Francis Parker/J. Heaver Ltd. Post and diagram in this link - 16 March 2014. Built in Hartlepool, it seems, .with Y25 bogies?

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/10325-br-ex-lms-bogie-coal-hoppers/
« Last Edit: November 03, 2019, 04:57:16 PM by woodbury22uk, Reason: Correction to route and bogie type. »
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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2019, 09:51:46 AM »
Just in case you haven't come across this site.............

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers

Thanks, I have perused that page previously, it has some nice pics in it.

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2019, 11:44:05 PM »
A bit of progress.

I've been waiting on some 4.8mm O/D styrene tube. I sanded down the external diameter a little until it fitted snugly in the NGS bogies I wanted to use. The Fleischmann chassis has smaller spigots than the NGS bogie is designed for, so I had to 'sleeve' the hole to reduce it.

The tube was superglued in place and then the top was filed down until it was1mm proud of the bogie top.



This shows the comparison between the NGS bogie and the Fleischmann original. I've chosen to use the Diamond Pattern bogie as that appears to be what the original wagon had, athough the axle spacing is 6" to short it'll look better than the Fleischmann bogie.



Once mounted on the bogies the chassis now sits the same height as the original.



I've got to do something about the length of the buffer stems. Does anyone know of, or who could supply some more sensible length buffers to replace them with. Failing that I'll cut and shorten the originals and superglue them back.

That's all for now, more soon.

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2019, 03:17:23 AM »
Clever and very neat solution :thumbsup:

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2019, 03:34:17 AM »
Looking good @emjaybee  :claphappy:

As for the buffers does nick at N brass do correct LMS brass ones? Hack the plastic clean of, quick file and drill these straight in.

I think they deserve decent buffers, with the work you've put in its amazing what difference decent ones make to a model.




These are what I found but you know the profile your after  :beers:


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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2019, 08:49:26 AM »
N Brass ! Of course!

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Thanks @exmouthcraig , I'm not sure about the profile, I'll have to interrogate my pictures to see what looks most suitable. Then as you say cut old off, it's an alloy chassis with moulded buffers rather than plastic, and fit new.

I'm almost done shaping the body. That'll soon be ready for a light coat of primer to highlight any discrepancies, and then rivets, miles and miles of rivets.  :goggleeyes:
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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2019, 03:53:50 PM »
Clever and very neat solution :thumbsup:

Thank you m'lud.

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Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2019, 11:02:16 PM »
I had a couple of hours available this evening.

I've made new buffer beams/chassis ends and fitted the LMS buffers I bought from N Brass.



I'd previously fitted false floors to the hoppers so that a load can be added at a later date.



Despite my earlier efforts the bogies interfered with the 'door' sides, so I 'slimmed' down the bogies to give a whisker of clearance and the wagons run freely around 10" curves. I also reduced the ride height of the wagon a whisker by filing down the styrene tube inserts in the bogies. It still has slightly higher buffer height than I'd like but it's more to do with the chassis now.






The original plan was to do one as a practice and then do the second as the finished article, but it's been going quite well so I've got two in good shape. I've also got another base wagon and I'm looking for one more. The aim is to have a short rake of four.

I'm still waiting for a quote/reply from Fox and Railtec for the decals, but both their websites say that there is a high demand and to be patient. I've lots of rivets to put on yet so I can wait a while yet.

They've now had a wash and brush up and are drying in preparation for alight coat of primer to see if there's any divets, dings or dents that I've missed as I can't see them very well because of the various layers of filler.

That's all for now, I'll pop up a picture when I've got some primer on them.

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