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China Clay Wagons
« on: September 16, 2019, 02:23:40 PM »

Following on from a couple of posts I've made in other threads I would like to ask the great collective a simple question:

Which of the NGS kits best represents an OWV? As seen here https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brclayliner

Which apparently is what China Clay was carried in out of Cornwall, it seems that the Farish/Kernow UCV's never really left Cornwall in any great numbers. There were a couple of flows of CHina Clay out of Cornwall but the stuff was carried in OWV's, the difference being the Bearings, OWV's have Roller Bearings whereas UCV's have Oil Filled bearings and so because of the speeds & distances required the Oil Filled bearings are not suitable.

So to cut a long diatribe short, I'm going to have to build a load of OWV's to put in a nice rake behind a Blue Class 40, mixed in with a couple of UCV's and some of the NGS's VVV's (Which I've already built) as MOD Traffic.

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2019, 03:40:13 PM »
Hi Neal,

You got a nice blue Class 40 then?? :laugh:

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2020, 03:30:54 PM »

To resurrect this thread about China Clay Wagons, does anyone know if the Peco NR-51 OOV is on a 10' or 9' chassis??

If so it might be closer to what I need for my Clayliner than the Kernow/Farish UCV's that I have, I also have some Parkside China Clay kit built wagons, all of which I might be tempted to part with IF the Peco ones are a better replacement for what I need/want.

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2020, 03:56:18 PM »
Neal. A quick google and type peco NR51 reveals its a ten inch chassis. Chris

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2020, 05:08:13 PM »

To resurrect this thread about China Clay Wagons, does anyone know if the Peco NR-51 OOV is on a 10' or 9' chassis??

If so it might be closer to what I need for my Clayliner than the Kernow/Farish UCV's that I have, I also have some Parkside China Clay kit built wagons, all of which I might be tempted to part with IF the Peco ones are a better replacement for what I need/want.

Cheers

Neal.

Hi Neal
I think it is a standard 5 plank 10' wheelbase coal wagon rebranded. I used a load of these as Peco kits to make OOVs back in the day, as with a hood you dont notice the ends are wrong.
A very cost effective way to get OOVs which Peco finally cottoned onto.













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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2020, 05:15:16 PM »
I think you want to create this, dont you...



Class 40 at Stoke 1975...

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 05:27:22 PM »
I think you want to create this, dont you...



Class 40 at Stoke 1975...

@Bob G Yep that's exactly what I want to recreate  ;) ;)

You see in my Club we're building a West Coast mainline layout based around Tamworth and my task is to try and supply trains suitable for late 70's to early 80's and whilst the run of the mill electric services are catered for, apart from Class 81's-85's, I thought the Clayliner would be something different.

So the Peco NR-51 is the correct wagon toi use then, just need to rebrand it as OOV, shouldn't be too difficult, famous last words :worried: :worried:

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 05:40:37 PM »
I also added the horizontal bar between the axleboxes, which are missing on the Peco kit/model. I dont for the life of me know what it is called :).

I dont honestly know if the OOV should be 9' or 10' wheelbase, but as long as you dont mix them, the size difference is not noticeable. If you DO mix them, they look awful!!!

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2020, 06:12:04 PM »

Right, Iíve just been informed that the OOV & UCV are in fact the same wagon, whereas the OWV is a standard 13ton open on a 10í chassis.

So if the Peco NR-51 is on a 10í chassis then itís got the wrong TOPS code on it, but is the right length for the Clayliner, so just what I need.

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2020, 08:37:07 PM »
Also looks like a mix of corrugated steel and plank ended wagons as well, additional variation in your rake Neal.

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2020, 12:10:48 PM »
You see in my Club we're building a West Coast mainline layout based around Tamworth and my task is to try and supply trains suitable for late 70's to early 80's and whilst the run of the mill electric services are catered for, apart from Class 81's-85's, I thought the Clayliner would be something different.

Slightly off-topic but if you want something different than how about some milk? Right at the tail end the milk traffic, there were some Swindon - Carlisle flows. I have not found the reason for certain but I suspect they were taking excess milk north to Appleby for cheese production.

Here is 40032 at Croome with train of milk tanks from Carlisle to Swindon on 7th June 1979.

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2020, 12:14:28 PM »
That's a long milk train !

How many tonnes would it weigh ?

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2020, 12:20:17 PM »
That's a long milk train !

How many tonnes would it weigh ?

If it's ex-Carlisle, they will be empties, hence the length.

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2020, 02:36:33 PM »
Pretty impressive sight. At a guess 15 tanks plus a brake at 13 tonne plus a load

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Re: China Clay Wagons
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2020, 02:57:28 PM »
Pretty impressive sight. At a guess 15 tanks plus a brake at 13 tonne plus a load

No brake at this date. Milk tankers were continuously braked (in fact they were rated as NPCCS). From 1968 onwards, the guard was allowed to travel in the rear cab of the loco.

IIRC the tanks weighed 13 tons empty so that train is just a smidge over 200 tons. Not stretch for a 40 I would have imagined.
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