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Offline BRMan

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Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« on: July 24, 2019, 01:06:18 PM »
Am I correct that there were just 2 models of wooden sided Pullman coaches made by GF, the 0646 Diner Coach and 0656 Brake end coach?

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2019, 01:16:15 PM »
There were also the same coaches in blue - I think these are much more rare, I've only ever seen one (which I sold on for a friend some years ago).
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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2019, 05:49:52 PM »
No idea how good they are but Precision Decals do a variety of different sides and names for the Grafar N gauge Pullmans to allow you to do a larger range of models.

Obviously this does leave issues with 6 wheel bogies etc but I am sure these are available somewhere, may be Ultima Models?

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2019, 06:09:10 PM »
Many thanks for the advice, will follow up.  Cheers, John

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2019, 02:52:41 PM »
i would like to know what eras these coaches were used in--and where.
i used to be indecisive...but now i'm not so sure.

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 03:27:34 PM »
At the very end of production, the last few coaches had actual names printed, unlike the previous 20 odd years of production, one being "Barbara" and the other possibly "Opal", but I can't be sure on the latter.

They were still 0646 and 0656 IIRC.

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2019, 03:43:24 PM »
At the very end of production, the last few coaches had actual names printed, unlike the previous 20 odd years of production, one being "Barbara" and the other possibly "Opal", but I can't be sure on the latter.

They were still 0646 and 0656 IIRC.

Cheers,
Alan

The Diner Firsts were named Agatha, Barbara and Coral. Some were only available in a set IIRC.
The Brakes were named Fortuna and Irene.
Unfortunately the names are not that accurate either.

Dr Al is correct they retained their numbering system until the end of UK production.

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 04:01:11 PM »
i would like to know what eras these coaches were used in--and where.

They are based on early wood-panelled Pullmans (1914-1928) like these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_British_Pullman_carriages#/media/File:Pullman_Mimosa.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_British_Pullman_carriages#/media/File:Pullman_car_Montana.jpg

They saw service on the SR, GWR and LNER, I think right into the 1960s.

The models are not accurate, as they are a blend of features of Kitchen cars and Parlour Cars, First Class, Second Class and Third Class!
I have lots of them as they serve as my Bournemouth Belle rake and odd Pullmans slotted into Boat Trains.

HTH
Bob

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 09:15:33 PM »
One thing I have noticed is that the printing on these Pullmans is often finer in the early models.  I assume the print pads were well worn by the end.  Although not accurate they can be made to look good (probably heresy to write that these days).  It would have been interesting to see what they would have been like if Bachmann had produced some in China.

You can see the improvements I made to mine here:

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=11342.330

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2019, 09:44:26 AM »
Many years ago, Colin Allbright suggested in the N gauge Journal, that they could be  detailed by removing the underframe, adding 6-wheel (if appropriate)(Atlas?) bogies mounted directly to the underside of the body floor, cast battery boxes, etc, and making truss rods from loco handrail knobs and brass wire.

The brakes were used with Mk1 Pullman stock on the ER until the end, or very nearly so, of such workings.

There is a separate recent thread about this on the Forum.

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« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 09:48:10 AM by martyn, Reason: Extra info »

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2019, 10:51:18 PM »
Were    the   GF   Blue   Pullman   coaches   Compagnie    Internationale   Des   Wagons  Lits  Grands   Express    Europeens   by    any    chance   and   if   they   were   did   they    run   in  the    UK,

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2019, 11:03:01 PM »
Were    the   GF   Blue   Pullman   coaches   Compagnie    Internationale   Des   Wagons  Lits  Grands   Express    Europeens   by    any    chance   and   if   they   were   did   they    run   in  the    UK,
They were produced in CIWL livery but they too were fake. They didnt run in the UK.
Doesn't stop you pretending the were used on the Victoria - Dover - Calais - Paris Night Ferry though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Ferry

HTH
Bob

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Re: Wood sided GF Pullman coaches
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2019, 07:45:36 AM »
From the research I have done so far the Farish CIWL cars seem to be based (or are very similar) to the Tri-Ang one.  Nothing wrong with a wee bit of imagination.

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