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Vantastic!!!
« on: June 10, 2019, 09:54:46 PM »
So, spurred on by my recent success of hacking two 20 ton brake vans into one 40 ton brake van I've been doing some NGS van kits.

I had a couple of the external frame Midland vans, and a twin pack of LMS vans.

Once duly assembled, and following my new mantra of "don't touch them with bare hands", I got them prepped for spraying.

I made some small spray stand from timber off-cuts, and stuck the vans on the top using a dot of decorators caulking (which I'm hoping I can get off once I'm finished!)

All the paint is rattle cans from Halfords. I've found that Halfords grey acrylic primer is a suitable LMS grey, so they all had a couple of coats of that. I masked the roofs off, and between the four I used three different greys, Tempest Grey, Bumper Light Grey and Bumper Dark Grey, for a bit of variety. I know white is the original colour, but to me it just looks odd, even though I don't like my vehicles weathered. Masking was then stripped off and they all had a couple of light coats of gloss acrylic lacquer.

Decal time!

Holy cow, why did I choose N gauge?

I've chosen to use Humbrol Decal Fix, which seems to have worked quite well.



I'm very pleased with the MR external frame vans, although the NGS instructions don't really marry up with the decal sheet, I may fire an email off to them about that.



Some of the decals are extremely tiny, and to be honest, I lost the tiny tare rating once. I have a funny feeling one of our cats now has a tare rating of 7 - 6.

 :-X

Once all the decals were fixed, they all went back down the workshop for a couple of coats of satin acrylic lacquer.

I noticed though, that this had happened to one set of decals, on both sides, almost identically.



If anyone has any idea why the decals appear to have been eaten away I'd love to know.

 ???

Tip time

As my workshop is an old stable it's drafty as heck, so I needed some way of covering the models until the paint/lacquer cured a little. Also, something to cover them between house and workshop to keep the crap off them.

I've found these in Iceland Food Warehouse. This one I've drilled throught the lid to make a spray stand on a platform. Once I've sprayed something I pop the 'bottom' back on the top with some pieces of timber between lid and base to allow air to circulate a little.



These handy little things only cost a fiver!

The only problem is that you need to empty them first.

 :D



{Ahem} I have a few of these.

 :-[

I still have to fit the chassis and wheels and do some minor detail painting. I'll update them when I'm done.

 :wave:
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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2019, 10:11:27 PM »
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I noticed though, that this had happened to one set of decals, on both sides, almost identically.



If anyone has any idea why the decals appear to have been eaten away I'd love to know.
...

Could be that the decals are a little old, been sitting around for a decade or two. If that's the case the decal can dry out and shrink, cracking as it shrinks but the carrier doesn't shrink. Start with a coat of Microscale* Liquid Decal Film (on the decal before attempting to apply it) and a 24 hour wait will repair any such cracks.


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« Last Edit: June 10, 2019, 10:58:26 PM by RailGooner, Reason: hit post too early »
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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2019, 10:13:24 PM »
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I noticed though, that this had happened to one set of decals, on both sides, almost identically.



If anyone has any idea why the decals appear to have been eaten away I'd love to know.
...

Did you mean to add something to this?

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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2019, 10:22:42 PM »
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Did you mean to add something to this?

 :-[ I did, and I now have, having initially hit Post too early. :beers:
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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2019, 10:52:59 PM »
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Did you mean to add something to this?

 :-[ I did, and I now have, having initially hit Post too early. :beers:

Been there done that.

 ;D
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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 03:19:01 AM »

I noticed though, that this had happened to one set of decals, on both sides, almost identically.



If anyone has any idea why the decals appear to have been eaten away I'd love to know.

 ???

Looks like the torn bits are over the indentation between the planks, so my guess would be the decal was stretched out a bit too much when applied, and never adhered to anything behind at that one spot. When you sprayed the dull coat the decal broke up. I use MicroSol and MicroSet for decals, the latter softens them up and causes them to conform to irregular surfaces better.

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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 08:41:56 AM »

I noticed though, that this had happened to one set of decals, on both sides, almost identically.



If anyone has any idea why the decals appear to have been eaten away I'd love to know.

 ???

Looks like the torn bits are over the indentation between the planks, so my guess would be the decal was stretched out a bit too much when applied, and never adhered to anything behind at that one spot. When you sprayed the dull coat the decal broke up. I use MicroSol and MicroSet for decals, the latter softens them up and causes them to conform to irregular surfaces better.

I was using Humbrol Decal set, which, according to the manufacturer should do the same job. It's the only wagon of four where it happened. Originally I thought it was 'the first attempt', but the other side went the same. I'm starting to wonder if the 'indents' on that particular model are a bit deeper than the others, hence it is doing what you said.

 :hmmm:
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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 10:00:30 AM »
Great models again and I love the tip about the bespoke drying chamber!  ;)

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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 11:45:23 AM »
Ice-cream tubs and margarine/sunflower spread containers work well for keeping models clean whilst waiting for the paint to dry. They're probably also better for your teeth!

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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 12:14:54 PM »
Ice-cream tubs and margarine/sunflower spread containers work well for keeping models clean whilst waiting for the paint to dry. They're probably also better for your teeth!

Steven B.

Not as much fun though.

 :D
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Re: Vantastic!!!
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2019, 11:52:20 AM »
Finally got around to finishing these four off. Chassis and wheels on, solebars painted grey, details, buffers, selected ironwork painted black.





I've got some more of these to do, but thet'll be variations on these ones. I'm also looking at trying some MR vans that are on Shapeways, but that's these done.

I've got some NGS Warwells on the go at the moment, they're a bit trickier.

 :wave:
Brookline build thread:

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