N gauge wagon kits.

[emjaybee]

I wonder if the combined knowledge of the forum can assist me.

I'm having a bit of a run on wagon kit building of late. All is going well, but I'd like more. I've almost exhausted the range of LMS wagons that the NGS has to offer.

Does anyone know of other LMS wagon kits that are available from other manufacturers?

The Peco wagons seem to be generic so I don't know if they're particularly relevant.

I'm happy to do plastic, resin, 3D or similar. I'm less keen on pure etched kits, although etched bits on a different base is fine, but I'll give anything a go.

Cheers fellas!

[thebrighton]

A few here although some soldering may be required

https://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/lms-wagon.html
http://www.2mm.org.uk/products/shops.php?shop_num=2
You do need to be a member of the 2mm SA to buy their kits.

[Snowwolflair]

RAIL 3D Prints on Shapeways produce a good range of British wagons

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/rail3d

[RailGooner]

Also on Shapeways:

• Etched Pixels
• Recreation21

Or these from Osborn's.

[Steven B]

Fortunately the LMS had more than one of each van so you can build more of what you've already got!

Then there's all the LNER, SR and GWR kits to build too - loads weren't transfered between wagons when they crossed region boundaries so there's nothing stopping you putting LNER/SR/GWR wagons in your LMS hauled train.

Steven B

[martyn]

I'm not sure of exact figures, and it will vary from district to district, but for a Grouping era layout, a guide would be about 50% wagons from the 'home' company (LMS or whatever) and the other 50% a mixture of the other three Companies and private owner wagons.

Apart from specialised 'Non-common user' wagons, which had to be returned to the owning company ASAP, there was a pooling agreement between the four companies, monitored by the Railway Clearing House, which generally meant that any companies' wagon could be used from any starting point to any destination.

That's a bit simplified, but as Steven B has said, you need other company, and private owner, wagons on your LMS hauled train.

The only 'rule' seems to have been the brake van would belong to the company on whose metals the train is running; presumably it was changed ASAP when making stops at the appropriate yards after crossing company boundaries.

Martyn

[Steven B]

The LMS Society has a good set of notes on freight trains:
http://www.lmssociety.org.uk/topics/freightWorking.shtml
This also includes a list of wagons that were not common user which would have been returned to the home railway ASAP.

I can't find numbers, but I believe the LMS had the largest fleet of wagons. Aim for a ratio of 5 LMS, 4 LNER, 3 GWR and 1 SR vehicle and you won't be far out. Proportions might change depending where in the country you are. LMS trains near London would have a higher number of SR wagons than a similar train in the far north of Scotland.

Steven B.

[Platy767]

The picture has a plastic D2147 and D1666 wagon (I apologise if the diagram numbers are incorrect) from the 2mm SA and on the right, a whitemetal Graham Hughes 8T(??) manure wagon.

The D1666 is built on a uniframe chassis from 2mmSA. The D2147 used a brass chassis from the 2mm SA. The Manure wagon uses a cut down uniframe chassis instead of the integral axleboxes and stuff in the original kit. I couldn't assemble it and get it all square, so I removed it and trimmed a uniframe chassis to suit.

As others have already pointed out, a train of wagons did not all necessarily all belong to the same company.

Graham Hughes whitemetal kits might pop up on 2nd hand stalls occasionally and are mainly (if not all) pre-grouping.

Mark

[joe cassidy]

Mill Lane Sidings do a couple of LMS wagon kits, including a sand wagon.

[CarriageShed]

You do need to be a member of the 2mm SA to buy their kits.

Or find a friend who doesn't mind ordering for you...

[Stevie DC]

As previously noted, the 2mm Association does a small range of plastic body kits. While these are designed to fit their etched chassis kits, I've managed to fit modified Peco chassis under some in the past - obviously, I cannot claim that this will work with all of their kits.

I wouldn't rule out etched kits either, many of the 2mm Association kits have been designed with the builder in mind and can be put together with a little care. I've got my eye on their etched MR coke hopper wagon and will get myself one at some point. 

[CarriageShed]

I had in mind their very nice-looking plastic-bodied SR cattle van - something that's not available in N gauge. Shouldn't be too hard to place that on a Peco chassis even if it means splicing together a couple of them to make up the correct length.

[PLD]

The only 'rule' seems to have been the brake van would belong to the company on whose metals the train is running; presumably it was changed ASAP when making stops at the appropriate yards after crossing company boundaries.

I'd just add a small rider to that... Where one company held running rights over another's lines, foreign stock could appear deep into another company's territory and usually the brake van would match the locomotive working the train...

[emjaybee]

You lot never fail to impress.

Also on Shapeways:

• Etched Pixels
• Recreation21

Or these from Osborn's.

I'm wading through these at present.

Fortunately the LMS had more than one of each van so you can build more of what you've already got!

Then there's all the LNER, SR and GWR kits to build too - loads weren't transfered between wagons when they crossed region boundaries so there's nothing stopping you putting LNER/SR/GWR wagons in your LMS hauled train.

Steven B

Not sure I can cope with GWR stock, my father may never speak to me again.

The picture has a plastic D2147 and D1666 wagon (I apologise if the diagram numbers are incorrect) from the 2mm SA and on the right, a whitemetal Graham Hughes 8T(??) manure wagon.

The D1666 is built on a uniframe chassis from 2mmSA. The D2147 used a brass chassis from the 2mm SA. The Manure wagon uses a cut down uniframe chassis instead of the integral axleboxes and stuff in the original kit. I couldn't assemble it and get it all square, so I removed it and trimmed a uniframe chassis to suit.

As others have already pointed out, a train of wagons did not all necessarily all belong to the same company.

Graham Hughes whitemetal kits might pop up on 2nd hand stalls occasionally and are mainly (if not all) pre-grouping.

Mark

I shall have to have a good look through their catalogue and maybe join for a year.

Mill Lane Sidings do a couple of LMS wagon kits, including a sand wagon.

I'm having trouble getting the Mill Lane website to behave itself. Have they changed anything since you last looked?

The only 'rule' seems to have been the brake van would belong to the company on whose metals the train is running; presumably it was changed ASAP when making stops at the appropriate yards after crossing company boundaries.

I'd just add a small rider to that... Where one company held running rights over another's lines, foreign stock could appear deep into another company's territory and usually the brake van would match the locomotive working the train...

As ever, very interesting and useful info.

Thanks to all, my quest continues.

I have just ordered two 20 ton loco coal Parkside kits from Track-Shack.
If their service is the same then they should be with me in about 10minutes!

[joe cassidy]

Mill Lane Sidings do a couple of LMS wagon kits, including a sand wagon.

I'm having trouble getting the Mill Lane website to behave itself. Have they changed anything since you last looked?

I haven't bought anything from MLS for a couple of years.

The owner may be present on this forum ?