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Author Topic: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA  (Read 4339 times)

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2019, 06:36:34 AM »
Looks like more orders will be needed for this to proceed.

https://www.cavalexmodels.com/july2019-update
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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2019, 07:34:22 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2019, 08:03:29 AM »
I fear pre-orders were not helped by the overcomplicated pre-ordering system - it needs to be simple and easy.

Tony

Looks like more orders will be needed for this to proceed.

https://www.cavalexmodels.com/july2019-update

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2019, 08:08:37 AM »
I fear pre-orders were not helped by the overcomplicated pre-ordering system - it needs to be simple and easy.

Tony

also not helped by the website not catering for VAT free orders outside of EU, that was something Revolution got right from the start.

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2019, 08:20:27 AM »
Its not exactly a prototype that could have many different liveries either.
I'd really love a new model PGA but I want the Yeoman one, not the Redland one, so I'm sticking with my incorrect Farish model instead. The OO fraternity have the old Lima now Hornby Yeoman PGA so Cavalex are not going to be doing that one long time soon.

There is something else - you have to connect with your clients. The old adage "People buy People" really does apply, so you need to get out there and engage with people. Revolution do this so well, at TINGS, DEMU, Ally Pally, etc.
And selling IS hard work.
Just because you have designed the best thing since sliced bread, unless you can convince the market to buy it, it just wont sell.
None of us actually have to part with our money, after all.

I've just bought two Taffy Tanks not because I really needed them, but mostly because of the engagement Sonic had through Revolution with the buyers. Sonic worked in the background, and Revolution, knowing nothing about kettles, still got us engaged.

Bob
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 08:23:39 AM by Bob G, Reason: Added text »

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2019, 09:17:41 AM »
Too right, mate.

I got the email from Revolution today, and I'm very close to ordering one of those tank engines!
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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2019, 09:23:12 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

The BBA has only ever been OO gauge though, hasn't it? Their OO gauge models seem to sell well, just not the N gauge ones.

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2019, 09:28:18 AM »
Agree would sell

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2019, 09:31:36 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

The BBA has only ever been OO gauge though, hasn't it? Their OO gauge models seem to sell well, just not the N gauge ones.

Morning njee. The BBA has also been proposed in N gauge. According to their website, its still in the design stage.

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2019, 09:38:25 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

The BBA has only ever been OO gauge though, hasn't it? Their OO gauge models seem to sell well, just not the N gauge ones.

Morning njee. The BBA has also been proposed in N gauge. According to their website, its still in the design stage.
Has the BBA been mentioned on here? I have never heard of it before now.
And thankfully it's not in my buying pattern, being ultra modern and all that :)
Bob

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2019, 09:40:41 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

The BBA has only ever been OO gauge though, hasn't it? Their OO gauge models seem to sell well, just not the N gauge ones.

Morning njee. The BBA has also been proposed in N gauge. According to their website, its still in the design stage.

I'm not sure I'd get your hopes up, all their projects show an N gauge model too on the website, but I've only ever seen mention of the OO gauge one (there's a long thread on RMWeb), and its omission from their newsletter may not bode well.

They do seem to be chasing down pretty esoteric prototypes in OO; a subtly different TEA to that of Revolution and Farish, a specific type of PGA, the Bardon JGA seems a weird choice of aggregates model to me.

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2019, 09:42:55 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

The BBA has only ever been OO gauge though, hasn't it? Their OO gauge models seem to sell well, just not the N gauge ones.

Morning njee. The BBA has also been proposed in N gauge. According to their website, its still in the design stage.
Has the BBA been mentioned on here? I have never heard of it before now.
And thankfully it's not in my buying pattern, being ultra modern and all that :)
Bob

Yep, it's been mentioned on here before.

Mot sure I'd call a wagon from the 70s ultra modern ;)

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2019, 09:47:17 AM »
Hope this doesn't impact upon the proposed BBA

The BBA has only ever been OO gauge though, hasn't it? Their OO gauge models seem to sell well, just not the N gauge ones.

Morning njee. The BBA has also been proposed in N gauge. According to their website, its still in the design stage.

I'm not sure I'd get your hopes up, all their projects show an N gauge model too on the website, but I've only ever seen mention of the OO gauge one (there's a long thread on RMWeb), and its omission from their newsletter may not bode well.

There's reference to the ngauge version in that thread, and I've spoken to Cav about it as well. We'll see what happens. I've still got a rake of Chivers BBAs anyway  :)

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2019, 10:47:26 AM »
I've no idea if Cavalex is VAT registered, they might not have been (threshold is £85k and it is easily conceivable that the first run of OO PGAs wouldn't have tipped them over that edge) so there would be no VAT to deduct.

As to choice of prototypes you can't please everyone, all you can do is try to please enough people to make any particular model work.  I like the choice of PGA that Cavalex have gone for - although in long rakes it is a bit geographically restricted, as soon as you look at some of the flows that they get mixed into you realise just how much the PGA complements a lot of other wagons that are available (or will be available soon) eg JGAs, HOAs etc etc. I really hope it makes it over the line.

The BBA seems like a sure fire seller to me. The Bardon JGAs I think are attractive prototypes and certainly recently they've got about a fair bit - there's often a mixed rake I see in the morning at Neasden heading (empty?) north. The TEA is another useful wagon to fill the massive gap between Farish's 1960s TEAs and our 2000s TEAs, plus they are used as barrier wagons for quite a bit of stuff going through Derby (particularly S stock).

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Re: Cavalex Models Redland/Lafarge PGA
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2019, 11:13:12 AM »
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There is something else - you have to connect with your clients. The old adage "People buy People" really does apply, so you need to get out there and engage with people. Revolution do this so well, at TINGS, DEMU, Ally Pally, etc.
And selling IS hard work.
Just because you have designed the best thing since sliced bread, unless you can convince the market to buy it, it just wont sell.
None of us actually have to part with our money, after all.
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Agree. I'm sick of reading "Well they posted on RMWeb"! Well I'm a member of RMWeb and probably look at it once a month at best. And I never look at RMWeb for news on N Gauge models, I just look at threads on modelling/layouts.

If one was selling posters of Jeremy Corbyn and advertised in the Daily Mail, with a result of very little consumer interest, it would be a nonsense to then declare "Labour supporters won't engage with me and support my products. And it's not my fault, because I've tried to engage with Labour supporters via the widely distributed/circulated Daily Mail!". If one can't be bothered to take the same copy sent to the Daily Mail and send it to the Socialist Worker, then it's one's own fault that there is little to no interest in one's product! If Cavalex and others can't be bothered to do a simple copy-paste from RMWeb (where some may be interested in N) to here (where all are interested in N), well, they can't then bleat on about N Gauge modellers being unresponsive!

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