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Re: Any SNCF modellers?
« Reply #195 on: September 12, 2020, 12:04:35 AM »
Nevertheless, looking at Arnold's catalogue, I regret that they are offering the 2nd class car only in one of the three different sets, and only one unit. And the two single car options are also for 1st class cars.This maybe an obstacle if you want to reproduce standards trains, because the difficult will be to include several 2nd class cars.

This once again underlines the silly (in my honest view...) prevalence of manufacturers to reproduce 1st class coaches in model form. I am really annoyed with Arnold for following this trend yet again - 50 years since I first became aware of it!

It is not an accident that in real life SNCF declassified numerous 1st class DEV coaches to 2nd class - because that is what us ordinary punters see and ride in!


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« Reply #196 on: September 12, 2020, 12:31:30 AM »
At least REE/Mikadotrain (as enthusiasts) know what models should be produced...

'nouille' (aka spaghetti) logo just in from DM Toys (some 'casquette' (aka cap or hat) logo have reached me too)


10 window 2nd class coaches - a godsend - at last a producer giving us models of the  most 'workaday' SNCF coach types after nearly 50 years of N gauge models of 8 and 9 window (mainly 1st class bodyshell types) from the earliest Arnold through the earliest Lima to 2nd generation Lima (when they actually went up to 9 windows but still the 2nd class versions of those were models of mainly declassified 1sts)


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« Reply #197 on: September 12, 2020, 12:35:08 AM »
Well, it is a long time but I bit the bullet after finding the BB13000 by Gill kits and have had it professionally constructed, painted and made DCC. Quite an expense but well worth it!
I'll try and post a picture tomorrow.


Did it end up costing more or less than the rtr Guarniero version?


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« Reply #198 on: September 12, 2020, 12:41:06 AM »

Gillkit have now ceased production - with their Z2 emu. The need for piling up multiple thicknesses of etch put me off, especially when the edges of the piles then have to be filled with solder and shaped smooth. I guess the BB13000 was on the same principle.  True kit builder kits.

It is quite widely accepted that Gill's kits were 'for engineers' not for modellers! Even my mate who is a superb modeller has been extensively challenged by the complexity.

I have ended up using key parts from Gill's monocabine and 141R kits to enhance kitbashes/conversions  rather than trying to build the kits up!

In the case of the 141R, key components from the kit can be put onto a Kato USRA mikado resulting in a very passable 141R but with the benefit of the base still being a working rtr Kato loco.

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« Reply #199 on: September 12, 2020, 02:07:26 AM »


Did it end up costing more or less than the rtr Guarniero version?


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Significantly less than Guarniero and DCC operable also.
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« Reply #200 on: September 12, 2020, 09:59:55 AM »
The September edition of Continental Modeller features Ian Stock’s Sulle SNCF layout. The 10 page history and description of the whole project raises several of the issues which complicate modelling a foreign railway when it is not “in your blood”. Interesting read and some quality photography.
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« Reply #201 on: September 13, 2020, 05:01:19 PM »
Pictures of Gill Kit BB12000 in assembly















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« Reply #202 on: September 13, 2020, 05:06:51 PM »
Photos of painted and finished kit Gillkits BB12000


























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« Reply #203 on: September 13, 2020, 08:56:42 PM »
Great model of great loco. One of my favorites that I could photograph in Nancy by 82.

But, did anyone compared this one with the Guarniero model?

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« Reply #204 on: September 14, 2020, 12:14:13 AM »
But, did anyone compared this one with the Guarniero model?

I rather doubt that a comparison has been done but would hope to be proved wrong.

Details are difficult to come by even on French Model Railway Forums in France.

Gill did various kits for this model at different times and apparently different chassis were used by different modellers.

My one for example utilises parts of two different TOMIX chassis.

From what I understand they are quite difficult to build.
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« Reply #205 on: September 15, 2020, 06:00:24 PM »
Anyone with 235 euros to spare might be interested in the Minitrix autumn new items list. Includes one of the BB67400s given a “La Capitole” livery and used for moving withdrawn rolling stock to scrapping sites. Page 14 in this .pdf.

http://streaming.maerklin.de/public-media/hn1637_20%25/DE_Minitrix_henh2020.pdf
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