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Author Topic: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)  (Read 19158 times)

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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #420 on: June 15, 2019, 11:22:35 AM »
What a fascinating post!  Thank you very much indeed.

I noticed a very nice lower-quadrant stop signal in one of the photographs; it has a vaguely GWR look to it.

Come to think of it I don't recall ever seeing a mechanical signal here (outside of museums and old photographs), but they do look quite British in style, which is unsurprising as the railway network was originally developed (in the 1870s) under the direction of a British engineer, and if you visit a railway musuem littered with kettles you can throw a stone and have a good chance of hitting something with a British maker's plate (before being escorted off the premises by security). Which reminds me, I must have another rummage in the Transdimensional Box.

The mixture of Japanese and western characters is interesting.

Finally, would it be possible for you to post your recommended 'Beginners Guide to the Railways of Japan' map.  I could play 'Google Roulette' but it would be much better to have a map chosen by an expert.

I am not sure what is available in terms of online maps, a quick spin of the Google roulette wheel doesn't bring up anything particularly recommendable.

Wikipedia has a nice overview of the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Japan
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #421 on: June 15, 2019, 11:31:28 AM »
The infamous 'transdimensional' box is not a unique phenomenon to Japan. One exists at Cant Cove. It is believed to have been a spare from the TARDIS donated by Susan, Doctor Who's granddaughter. Among its many amazing qualities is that, just like the TARDIS, its outside is infinitely smaller than its interior! 8-)

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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #422 on: June 15, 2019, 11:36:01 AM »
Meanwhile something a bit more colourful fell off the back of an auction site in the form of a 205-3000 series "Hachiko Line" train from the house of Kato:


Kato 205-3000 series (Hachiko Line) by Rail Squid, on Flickr

The "Hachiko Line" runs between Hachioji Station on the Chuo Line and the town of Kawagoe north of Tokyo; astute readers will notice that Takahachikawa also contain the syllables "hachi", and indeed Hachioji station is one of the inspirations for the layout location, so it would be remiss of me not to have some trains of the other lines which go there.

The 205 series was the last major commuter train series produced by JNR (the former state railway) before its privatisation in 1987, but is slowly being phased out, having long vanished from the more central routes, with many set being cascaded to secondary lines such as the Hachiko Line, but even here the last 205s were withdrawn last year. Some have been sold to Indonesia where they are enjoying a second lease of life in Jakarata.
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #423 on: June 15, 2019, 10:09:03 PM »
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Thanks Ian
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #424 on: June 16, 2019, 02:26:59 PM »
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if you visit a railway musuem littered with kettles you can throw a stone and have a good chance of hitting something with a British maker's plate (before being escorted off the premises by security). Which reminds me, I must have another rummage in the Transdimensional Box.

We interrupt this timeline to take you back to 1872, when Steam Locomotive Number One, fresh out of the Vulcan Foundry, hauled the first scheduled train service in Japan between Tokyo and Yokohama:


MicroAce Class E (Class A1, Class A150) by Rail Squid, on Flickr

However at this point I must report a Scale Violation, for this model is actually 1:120, though it does of course run on N gauge tracks (which do then become more-or-less in scale for Cape Gauge).

The original is on display at the Railway Museum in Omiya:


P1020856 by Rail Squid, on Flickr

I have some better pictures somewhere, this is from 10 years ago.

Note the model is based on the locomotive in its original form, it is preserved in a later, modified state.

Normal timeline and scale service will be resumed soon.
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #425 on: June 16, 2019, 04:35:08 PM »
So, fast-forwarding a century or so, the rake of excitingly brown coaches would, towards the end of its life, have been hauled by a locomotive in a colour neither brown nor black, specifically an EF64:


MicroAce EF64 (EF64-42) by Rail Squid, on Flickr

If you refer to your notes you will recall "E" is for "Electric" and "F" for 6 powered axles. The EF64 (as with all electric locos with a class number of 60 or later) is a post-war "second-generation" design, i.e. an oblong box without the leading unpowered trucks typical of "first generation" designs, and unsurprisingly it has the wheel arrangement Bo-Bo-Bo (as probably mentioned previously, Co-Co is also available, but rare). Around the same time someone at JNR (Japanese National Railways) discovered the concept of paint which is neither brown nor black, and for whatever reason (apart from very early examples) the second generation locomotives generally came in blue (1500v DC) or red (DC/AC or AC-only), a tradition which continues in principle to the present day, albeit with many exceptions. (Diesels, when not brown, were/are usually a red/orange colour, but Japan went largely from steam to electric traction with diesels playing only a secondary role).

Unfortunately this locomotive as depicted is only a placeholder, for it bears the post-privatisation "JR" logo (and is also fitted with a train radio antenna, the stubby grey thing on the right of the cab roof, which puts it at some time in the 1980s) so is not prototypical for the carriages depicted, which lasted in some form until ca. 1975, so I am considering what options are available to obtain an early EF64 in prototypical form, as the options are suprisingly limited (Kato, who make the coaches, helpfully point out that an early EF64 version would be appropriate, but unhelpfully fail to actually make one; MicroAce do, but it is of an older model generation than the one depicted so not as well detailed).

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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #426 on: June 16, 2019, 04:52:47 PM »
Around the same time someone at JNR (Japanese National Railways) discovered the concept of paint which is neither brown nor black, and for whatever reason (apart from very early examples) the second generation locomotives generally came in blue (1500v DC) or red (DC/AC or AC-only)

While we're at it, here's a red one:


Eidai ED75 (ED75 91) by Rail Squid, on Flickr

Somewhat off the reservation here, as this is an AC-only ED75 (D = a mere 4 powered axles), a numerous class prevalent in the AC-electrified ares of northern Japan and Kyushu, which is interesting from a modelling perspective as there have been numerous takes on it from different manufacturers over the years. This is from a short-lived outfit from the end of the 1970s called "Eidai", who raised the bar in Japanese N scale production, but ended up as a victim of their own success. This model dates from 1979 or 1980, but is not all that far behind contemporary models and is a perfectly viable model for everyday use on a modern layout.
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #427 on: June 16, 2019, 11:24:10 PM »
Keep 'em coming, Ian!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #428 on: June 18, 2019, 02:03:47 PM »
Oh go on then... While I had the Vintage Model Box open, we slip only a couple of years back down through model (as opposed to prototype) history and see another ED75, albeit of a much cruder nature:


Tomy ED75 (ED75 513) by Rail Squid, on Flickr

This is one of Japanese toy giant Tomy's early forays into N gauge from ca. 1975, initially outsourced to Kader/Bachmann in Hong Kong, and this one comes in a case almost identical to early Bachmann ones:


tomy-ed75-box by Rail Squid, on Flickr

A very noisy but quite reliable runner and reasonably to scale, but those deeply inset cab windows could have been designed by Lima.

Tomy insourced production to their own factories in Japan from the late 1970s, around which time the Tomix brand emerged, and the quality of models improved enormously (competition from the above mentioned Eidai and other manufacturers will no doubt have helped).
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #429 on: June 18, 2019, 09:12:57 PM »
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the   :greatpicturessign: Ian & many more words of useful wisdom   :thumbsup:
    regards Derek.

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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #430 on: June 19, 2019, 12:27:37 PM »
Especially for @Bealman , as the subject came up in another thread:


Dapol Class 35 "Hymek" (D7014) by Rail Squid, on Flickr

The bright light behind the headcode presumably represents Harold Wilson's "white heat of technology".
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #431 on: June 19, 2019, 12:38:51 PM »
  :laughabovepost:

So that's the workin one then  ;)
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #432 on: June 19, 2019, 12:41:53 PM »
But seriously, isn't that one of the best looking BR locos ever.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #433 on: June 19, 2019, 01:12:20 PM »
I've always thought they look a bit "dorky".

Not that that stops me owning two more :D


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Re: Takahachikawa (Japanese layout)
« Reply #434 on: June 19, 2019, 02:28:14 PM »
Looking good, one of my favourite BR loco's and yes I get it about Dorky, but still lovely

 

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