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Author Topic: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.  (Read 59419 times)

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #150 on: September 28, 2016, 10:11:52 PM »
Hi Dats

Don't be hard on yourself.  The decals are sitting on a ribbed box car, so they are bound to look like they do.

Here's what I'd do :

1.  Before putting any decals on, apply a thin coat of gloss varnish, or Klear floor polish or Micro-Set solution onto the area where the decal is going to be.  Let it dry for half an hour.

2.  Cut out the decal you are going to use, and do a dry run.  See what it looks like.

3.  If you are happy with how it will appear, put the decal into a dish of luke warm water, and allow the backing paper to lift off the decal.

4.  Put the decal in place.  Take a damp piece of kitchen towel and gently place it onto the decal.  Dab it and then lift to ensure the decal is still it's in the right place.  Once it's there, press as hard as you can without breaking the box car!!!!  This gets the air bubbles and water out from between the decal and box car.  Take off the damp kitchen towel and ensure the decal is still in the right place.  If you've pressed down hard enough, the decal will sit on top of the ribs on your car as well.

5.  If you own Micro-Sol solution, use a small brush to dab this over your decal.

Leave the whole lot to dry over night, if possible.

Next day, take some more Micro-Set, Klear floor polish or varnish and paint it over the decal!  Et voila!  Hopefully you'll have a good looking car.

Don't worry about the decal colours.  As long as they look good to you, they don't have to exactly match my box cars.  If you really want a pale colour to show behind the writing, how about painting some yellow over the area where the decal is going to be, so that you are actually putting the decal over a yellow patch on the side of the box car?

I notice on your Southern Pacific box car that you are a bit worried about the uneven nature of the decal.  This was because you didn't press down on them hard enough with the damp kitchen roll, as in Number 4 above.  As a result, air bubbles and / or water stayed under the decal until they evapourated.  You need to force those out before the decal dries.

If that was a practice, take them off, and try again.  See if you like the results on the second attempt.

Don't worry, we've all applied decals as beginners originally.  You should see some of my earlier efforts....

Andy
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #151 on: September 29, 2016, 01:04:47 AM »
Hi, All!!
How are you doing?

Andy, thank very much you for your advice. I definitely use the techniques!
Quite a lot of good information that I can use!!

How am I doing?....well.
I'm experiencing great decals failure or I would say great learning process(?)!

I printed out on the M&HRR logo on clear decal paper with yellow colour. Applied liquids decal film as bonded agent. (I read that I can use it as sealer on a web and it appear to be working.)
I dried it overnight.
Then I applied the decal on the boxcar, thinking bright yellow letters would appear on the surface.
As you can guess, all I saw was a thin layer of decal!!
No legible logo whatsoever!!
Background of brown colour absorbed everything!!
What to do now!

Now my choices are
1. Print on a white decal and apply the logo that looks like white placarded sign on the boxcar which is unusual.
Or
2. Print on a clear decal again with much darker colour but different from the boxcar brown colour and
hoping to get a better result.

The problem is a home ink jet printer can't print white colour.
Well, I tried print the near boxcar brown colour background with white letters on a white decal paper.
Then I found out that the white lettering are not clear at all.
So, now I decided to go with #2 option.
I'll report it back to you soon.
(The picture is out of focus as usual. Those letters are much more clear on the decal.)

Why it doesn't have a provision of white colour printing? Why!! Not fair! ..poor white colour!!

Andy, please be patient. Your Railroad car will be rolling on the Closet Branch soon.

Webbo, I haven't forgotten about mirrors.
My handwriting is so bad that I couldn't tell what's going on!
My drawing looks more like a pizza than a track plan.

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #152 on: September 29, 2016, 07:18:40 AM »
Why not paint or stick a square of yellow paper where you are going to put the decal, and then put the decal over the top of the yellow Dats?

Don't worry, you'll get something nice out of all this effort!  Have faith!

Andy
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #153 on: September 29, 2016, 12:27:30 PM »
Well, I tried print the near boxcar brown colour background with white letters on a white decal paper.
Then I found out that the white lettering are not clear at all.

Maybe set the text to Bold or try a different font - some fonts that look the same on screen print quite differently. I once printed a page of text using every font I had, and referred to that for choosing the best match to commercial logos.

Also, have you set your printer to "best quality" - they usually default to "draft quality" for speed.

I suspect that if you're using clear decal sheet, a painted patch will also show through the background colour, so I'd persevere with the white sheets.

Mike
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #154 on: September 29, 2016, 11:48:04 PM »
Hello!

Andy, thank you for your encouragement.
I'm not giving up on the decal project yet.
When I get tired of it, I'm watching your M&HRR videos. If you see viewer counters going up, probably I'm the one watching them!
I'm not kidding.

OK, decal challenge for the third time!
This is it!
I made a decal following Mike's advise. (thank you, Mike!!)

I'm going to dry it for a day or two then I I'll apply the liquid decal film as sealant.
This weekend I should be able to try it on the boxcar.

Meanwhile my mirror project is still experimenting stage.

Webbo, this is the place I'm trying out for now.

I learn that the mirror angle is critical for a good effect.
I just can't find cheap right size mirror.
I don't know where exactly I put the mirrors nor how to hide the seams yet.

Another over due project is the backdrop project.
I just downloaded gimp(?) Software for photo editing.
I can't find the scenery that I want on commercial backdrop so I need to make it myself.(American "can do" spirit here!...or wishful thinking?)
I have no idea how to use the software. It will probably take a long time to learn it but I'm not in rush.

Well, my layout is small but still evolving!
Hopefully for the better!!

Dats



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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #155 on: September 30, 2016, 07:14:12 AM »
Keep experimenting Dats, that's how we learn!  The decals look like they'll work a treat on the box car.

Andy
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #156 on: September 30, 2016, 01:27:49 PM »
OK, decal challenge for the third time!
This is it!
I made a decal following Mike's advise. (thank you, Mike!!)
I'm going to dry it for a day or two then I I'll apply the liquid decal film as sealant.
This weekend I should be able to try it on the boxcar.
Hi Dats. The background colour looks a good match for the boxcar. If you cut the decals as close to the text as you can, then varnish and weather over, I'm sure the background will disappear. For a smooth-sided car, you could make a decal that covers the whole side, then paint the car ends to match the decal colour. I used to do that with (black) tank cars in OO scale a few years ago.

Mike
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #157 on: October 01, 2016, 04:33:55 PM »
keep going guys!  I've all this ahead of me yet...

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #158 on: October 02, 2016, 12:49:07 AM »
Hi Dats

Thanks for the photo of the mirror Dats. Now I see what you are trying to do. I'd not realised that you could view the layout from the back. Could you not get a larger mirror and cut it to size. Seems to me also that the viewing angle will change how the layout looks when mirrors are involved especially.

Have you considered two mirrors - one where you have it and another along the back wall perhaps?. This would make the orange grove look huge as the mirrors would be reflecting off one another.

Good luck with the decals. I'm watching this one as I have to put a Shell insignia on the side of an oil tank soon.

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #159 on: October 02, 2016, 01:57:54 AM »
Thank you very much for your reply guys!!

The third attempt.
I had a problem that I didn't have on two previous attempts.
Water bleached in the decal and ruined it!
I think because where I cut was painted colour part, not plain decal paper.
As you know I flooded the decal with brown colour so all cutting edge would be raw brown paint exposed. (I think)
I thought it over in the bathroom when I doing an important business then I realized that I need to seal the cutting edges as well.
So, I need cut the decals in shape first then apply the sealant around the edges again.
Right now I cut all lettering and sealed the edges and waiting to dry.
Tomorrow, I retry to put the decals for one more time!
Wait! UK is already tomorrow now!

The clear decal papers are pretty much useless on this project. (Unless for light coloured cars like gray colour covered hoppers.)



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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #160 on: October 02, 2016, 03:34:37 AM »
Hi, Webbo.
How are you doing?
Thank you for your comment.
Well, only time I can see the mirror is when I take a photo or video right now.
Yes, I thought about using the double mirrors. (Isn't that bad luck omen or something? If that's true, I'm scared!!)
One on the industry and the other is on the backdrop. So I can see it from my normal view position.
Then I thought the one on the backdrop would reflect a train passing by right in front of it also.
Probably wouldn't work.
I saw a Japanese modeller using the double mirrors on his layout though.
First mirror was one of those mirror that one side is mirror the other side is see through window (I don't know how to call it. You know, like some office building windows or the police interrogation room  mirror.) Second one is a regular mirror.
When you see from "see through" mirror, inside of the object(s) would expand forever.(hopefully, I explain this right!)
I thought that was a pretty clever idea!!
Maybe we can use it as inside of "wall flats" industrial buildings so when you peak through it inside of the room is huge....or something like that.
Right now I want to make my backdrop and a custom decal  boxcar so I won't try any complicated visual tricks.

Well, I don't know how to cut the mirror, Webbo.
I assume I would need a diamond tip cutter or some special tools which I can't afford. Even if I can get one,
I'll probably cut my finger instead of the mirror!!

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #161 on: October 02, 2016, 04:12:53 AM »
I'll leave you to the decals at the moment. But, ordinary glass can be cut using a very cheap and simple tool and it's pretty easy to do (lots of explanations on web). However, if the mirror is tempered glass, things become MUCH hairier. Most glass mirrors are not made of tempered glass. My one experience with trying to cut tempered glass ended badly.

Webbo
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #162 on: October 02, 2016, 11:34:16 PM »
Hi, guys.

This is a result of my third and half attempt.
After all that, still pretty bad looking.
I hope the weathering would hide my rubbish job.
I'll report back to you when I finish with weathering.

Dats

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #163 on: October 03, 2016, 01:53:01 AM »
Hello!

OK, first layer of weathering. I tried to hide my rubbish job too much!
The lettering portions are too heavy.
Nevertheless, the M&HRR boxcar is arrived from the South Pine yard to Los Angeles.
I'll enjoy running the car on my layout!
Thank you all for your help!!
Especially, Andy. Thank you very much sending me your M&HRR template!!
I still can't believe that home printers can't make white print!

Dats



A Montrose & Highland car unloading frozen food packaging.
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #164 on: October 03, 2016, 07:54:38 AM »
You are being way too harsh Dats, that looks great!  Remember you've put the decals over ribs on the car, so it's bound to stand proud of the side of the car.  If you have put varnish over the decals now, you could try pressing on hard with your finger to try and get the decal a bit flatter, but there is a risk the decal will come off with your finger, if you haven't sealed it properly.

Other than that, it is fine!  It shows an era earlier than my model where the MHRR was still a struggling railroad, but it was business as usual.  An earlier design of font on the car makes it even more realistic!

In your picture, I'm assuming the car has come down to California possibly from Doyle Silver Group in Indiana, if it's carrying frozen food packaging, or maybe from Roxo.

Good job.

Andy
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