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Author Topic: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1  (Read 21987 times)

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2015, 01:58:11 AM »
Well I would be after a blue one at least, but if a twin pack was on offer well you may bend my arm slightly!!

Although I cant find it I know a poll was mentioned and I think with all the individual shows of interest we need to get it one that now, so any prospective manufacturer could see if the numbers add up to making them as an RTR model!

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #76 on: November 23, 2015, 03:00:29 AM »
I'd certainly be interested in one of these (plus possibly dummy) in BR blue. For the record, this would be a Rule 1 purchase as part of my attempt to collect every locomotive which ran in BR blue, however I'd certainly expect these to operate on revenue-earning services on my layout and not sit in a display case ;). I also note that if these aren't available in RTR, I'm not passionate enough about them to go to the trouble of assembling a kit, though I think I could stretch to applying my own numbers.

Wikipedia notes thusly about the unusually high catenary in places:
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The locomotives were fitted with twin diamond-shaped pantographs. At certain points on the Woodhead Line, notably in the vicinity of steam locomotive water-columns, the electric overhead lines were as high as 20 feet above the tracks. The pantographs (BR practice utilised both raised in normal Woodhead operation in order to maximise current collection under any weather condition) had to stretch to almost their full height to reach the wires at such points.
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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2015, 09:26:35 AM »
Wikipedia notes thusly about the unusually high catenary in places
Ah, that was where I got that snippet from ...

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #78 on: November 23, 2015, 10:14:44 AM »


Wikipedia notes thusly about the unusually high catenary in places:
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The locomotives were fitted with twin diamond-shaped pantographs. At certain points on the Woodhead Line, notably in the vicinity of steam locomotive water-columns, the electric overhead lines were as high as 20 feet above the tracks. The pantographs (BR practice utilised both raised in normal Woodhead operation in order to maximise current collection under any weather condition) had to stretch to almost their full height to reach the wires at such points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_76

Ok so that would explain it, although others explanations would make good sense too, so I guess it could be a mixture of all of them!

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #79 on: November 23, 2015, 10:22:01 AM »
In the DVD I mentioned in reply #15 the narrator did state the catenary was set at a nominal 16ft but that due to ground subsidence from the many coal workings, the contours of the land and other structures it could vary between 14ft and 20ft :goggleeyes:

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #80 on: November 23, 2015, 12:52:25 PM »
Glad to see the amount of interest on here.

  Regarding catenary height,on the Worsborough branch,the supports were adjustable for height due to subsidence.These locos were also fitted with regenerative braking as it was found that on the early locos,they could start heavy trains but stopping them was a totally different matter!!.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2015, 08:08:20 PM »
 :thumbsup:

You can count me in too for BOTH the EM1 AND the EM2! 

I'm a die-hard GCR route modeller with a 'what if' (a.k.a Rule #1) layout involving a model of the route from Leicester Central to Nottingham Victoria being 'under the wires' so my Windcutters will need a pair of EM1 and my Master Cutler will definitely need the EM-2.

I'd even be willing to pre-order a 4/2 combination of the EM1/EM2 in BR Green!  :beers:

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2015, 04:44:28 PM »
Just waiting for DJM Dave to see if it`s worth doing!.

            We live in hope,Ray.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2015, 08:25:00 PM »
EM 1 in Green?

YES PLEASE!! maybe 2!!

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2015, 08:32:31 PM »
I know it`s not n gauge but i like EM1`s so much i bought a Olivias trains model 26020 purely to admire. :sorrysign:

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #85 on: December 23, 2015, 10:38:47 AM »
Such devotion to EM1s should not go unrewarded by the manufacturers of N gauge models ;)

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2015, 01:35:40 PM »
Hi everyone,

Just to give you an update on this possible project. However before i start, please note nothing is concrete on this yet, but i want to do it as an altruistic loco development, knowing that i probably wont make money back.
Also i am not formally announcing it until i feel im ready

Here's the update,
1) Some drawings collected and sent to China
2) Quotes from China for this model in powered and un-powered and twin packs with me currently
3) matrix being collated for every member of the class, in every livery variation, not just black, green and blue.
4) Matrix will include ALL versions of EM1, including alternate sides, ends, roof equipment, cab roofs, sand boxes etc
5) Full photo survey of Cab at Manchester Science museum complete
6) Full survey of Cab side at barrow hill including window sizes, and relationship to each other and handrails etc, complete
7) Full Survey of 26020 at York comprising complete check measurements and over 520 high resolution photographs, complete
8) Talks taken place for MSW masts in metal and wires from third party manufacturer on going.

All that remains is to find the cash, which, as my plans are based on 2 years, wont be for at least 2/3 years unless things turn around quickly for this project to speed up.

Like i said, its not worth announcing yet though as i am fully aware others could , unfortunately, step in and produce this model before i am ready. Them's the breaks.  :scowl:
Cheers
Dave


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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2015, 05:09:13 PM »
Thanks Dave.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2015, 06:41:54 PM »
Maybe the simple fact Dave is thinking about it will prompt some action but, speaking personally, those who do the legwork should get first dibs. Sadly, business doesn't work like that.


All that remains is to find the cash, which, as my plans are based on 2 years, wont be for at least 2/3 years unless things turn around quickly for this project to speed up.


The speed I build layouts I'd better start tomorrow :-[

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #89 on: December 24, 2015, 06:36:58 AM »
As usual, late in on the discussion.
After 5 years of searching I recently managed to acquire an EM1 kit from a guy in Oz that cost a fortune. To motorise it properly would have cost another fortune (Kato chassis at 90+) so the prospect of an RTR model in N is very appealing.

As my layout is a model of Hadfield on the Woodhead line, please put me down for 2 in green.

Thanks in anticiption :bounce:
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