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Author Topic: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1  (Read 22769 times)

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2015, 02:57:56 PM »
For any fan of the Woodhead line, I would recommend a B & R Productions (Volume 90) DVD 'Woodhead Remembered'. Although I never travelled on it I would most certainly be tempted to create a layout if EM1/EM2/506s werre available :drool:

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2015, 03:16:39 PM »
Always quite fancied a model of Penistone, to be honest. Complete with Viaduct.
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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2015, 08:36:45 PM »
The overhead lines around Penistone were set very high so you'd see pantographs pretty much fully extended.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2015, 08:53:44 PM »
I have seen that on pics but I could never understand why??

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2015, 09:17:45 PM »
I have seen that on pics but I could never understand why??

Sadly the DVD I have doesn't explain why, but I suspect it may have to do with other lineside structures e.g. platform canopies etc :hmmm:

Found a pic in this article on Wickedpedia that bears out my thought .................
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodhead_Line
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 09:24:35 PM by newportnobby, Reason: Pic found to show extended pantographs »

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 10:21:22 PM »
Sadly the DVD I have doesn't explain why, but I suspect it may have to do with other lineside structures e.g. platform canopies etc :hmmm:
I think it was related to the steam trains running, and they needed to have clearance for the water columns etc ... something running around my head about "20' from rail height"  ???

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2015, 12:20:15 AM »
Well I had a look on the pics I could find and well I know canopies at Penistone were high but couldn't see any water columns but that doesn't mean it was the case!

But that's going  :offtopicsign: back to the EM1 would it be viable / possible to use the same moulds to produce both the EM1 and EM2?? I know there are differences but how much??
If it would be viable to produce both from the same moulds that could really boost things! As having both classes could blow open the geographical limitations.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2015, 08:01:55 AM »
Well I had a look on the pics I could find and well I know canopies at Penistone were high but couldn't see any water columns but that doesn't mean it was the case!

But that's going  :offtopicsign: back to the EM1 would it be viable / possible to use the same moulds to produce both the EM1 and EM2?? I know there are differences but how much??
If it would be viable to produce both from the same moulds that could really boost things! As having both classes could blow open the geographical limitations.

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Main issues are the em2s are longer and have CO CO bogies instead of the BO BO ones under the em1.

I have one 506 and hope to build another in the future.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2015, 08:12:48 AM »
 :-[ :-[ Ok I had looked at pics and err not noticed the Co Co design!!!  :-[ :-[

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2015, 08:39:10 AM »
I have modelled the Woodhead line since the 1980's you may remember Parkwood Springs / Brookside with my own cast resin EM1'S, I have an unfinished Sheffield Vic sitting around as I really need to replace the EM1'S and 2's it was shown at Retford some years ago. What I am getting around to is there may be a little interest but it may not make commercial sense, does the OO range sell?

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2015, 09:06:33 AM »
Well,there does seem to be a bit of interest for a unique locomotive class.Most of the locos would run in pairs so a motorised loco with an unpowered model woul look really great on a long coal drag which was the reason for the line when built.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2015, 09:21:18 AM »
Yup, 1 powered and 1 unpowered 76 would look rather good in my new 'twin pack' boxes, that's for sure.

Obviously the tooling would have to allow for 'Tommy' too.

This has now got me thinking more about realising my dream of having them (producing them) in N gauge.
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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2015, 10:15:48 AM »
Yup, 1 powered and 1 unpowered 76 would look rather good in my new 'twin pack' boxes, that's for sure.

Obviously the tooling would have to allow for 'Tommy' too.

This has now got me thinking more about realising my dream of having them (producing them) in N gauge.

Hi Dave

Go on you know you want to  :D

Realistically I don't think you would sell enough to make it viable. From memory there were 50 Masterclass Models kits of which I have around a quarter and I know where a similar amount are and I know Chris Higgs (Masterclass Models) kept some for himself. These took around three years to sell.

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2015, 10:31:09 AM »
One of the finest MSW layouts in 2mm FS, and which I'm sure prompted fellow member 'Mainline' to create his layout 'The Circle Line'.................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQfRw57TZcM

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Re: Suggestion for MSW/LNER EM1
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2015, 10:53:18 AM »
Hi Paul,

I understand what you mean but wonder if........

After all we know OHLE doesn't sell too well, but the MSW I think was a different beastie that might just roll.

After all, steam used the route (not sure about the 'new' tunnels though), diesels, emus and of course the 76/77's.

Plus for those that want to model Shenfield circa 1930's they might need one or two.

I'd do them purely as an altruistic project with little or no prospect of breaking even in the short term.

However, I do wonder if weathered twin packs, celebrity single units, and painted body only 'grounded' models will appeal?

After all, they ran alongside 25kv traction in
Manchester and diesel stuff on the woodhead, Sheffield, Tinsley etc
And don't forget visits to Doncaster and Crewe works too.

Very interesting possible project this one.
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