Anatomy of a dinosaur

[Bealman]

Well yer got that right

You and me both 

But when I think about it, me old pannier did throw connecting rods, as did a other 0-6-0s, that's when I  actually come to think about it. 

George

[railsquid]

Great to see an immaculate example of what is undeniably a major part of N gauge history. I have my own example somewhere, without a box and with faded paintwork, still plodding along!

However, wouldn't the Lone Star Baby Deltic and class 24 pre-date it as the first British-made, British outline rtr locos?

Yes and no.  Lone Star was 8.25mm gauge which turned out to be a dead end.  But I think it was the first ever 2mm scale commercial system, beating the Germans to the market by several years.

Wasn't Lone Star 000 9.25mm i.e. very slightly larger?

I can't measure that, but I do have a Lone Star class 24 which in principle runs on my N gauge track, but the wheel type width prevents it from passing through points.

[Skyline2uk]

I still have 2 x 94xx Farish panniers (ref 1105) and they still run, although I have to keep an eye on the connecting rods which sometimes come off and cause the loco to do the pole vault
If I recall, the 94xx and their class 101 DMU were the first Farish items I ever bought.
Ergo - a dinosaur buying a dinosaur

Assuming the tooling didn't change much, I came so close to paying £100.00 plus for one of those 101s in NSE 

Here's hoping the new one is worth the (probably) extra £50.00 they will want for it....

Skyline2uk

[Newportnobby]

I still have 2 x 94xx Farish panniers (ref 1105) and they still run, although I have to keep an eye on the connecting rods which sometimes come off and cause the loco to do the pole vault
If I recall, the 94xx and their class 101 DMU were the first Farish items I ever bought.
Ergo - a dinosaur buying a dinosaur

Assuming the tooling didn't change much, I came so close to paying £100.00 plus for one of those 101s in NSE 

Here's hoping the new one is worth the (probably) extra £50.00 they will want for it....

Skyline2uk

There's a whole world of difference between the 2 models. Not for nothing is my old 101 known as 'The Growler'. No lights and an open driver cab window......it's not pretty

[Skyline2uk]

So the (3 car) NSE one would not have been TOO bad at £100.00, assuming it was a runner?

Skyline2uk

[Newportnobby]

With no new version on the horizon you are limited if you really want one but I'd see if Electra Graphics do any vinyls and then cover a new 3 car unit rather than pay £100 for an old one

[Skyline2uk]

Much respect to the products of Electra, but I may settle for a 2 car version in the new tooling as per the current catalouge.

I don't trust my wonkey aim with stick ons just yet for a full DMU, got my eye on a barrier coach as an entry purchase.....

Sorry 

Back to the lovely old Poole finds....

Skyline2uk

[D1042 Western Princess]

an open driver cab window......

  Sorry NN, but I'm not entirely sure I understand this comment. Class 101s did run with cab windows open particularly in summer months. I'm not saying you must like it, but just wondering what is so wrong with it?

[Sprintex]

Guessing: draws attention to the fact it's empty inside?


Paul

[Bealman]

Hey I've got three sets of those... (BR green, of course) 

It's all yer could get back in the Jurassic.

They don't even growl.

That's 'cos they don't go any more 

[D1042 Western Princess]

Guessing: draws attention to the fact it's empty inside?


Paul

But the all 1st generation DMUs ran with the back cab empty most of the time.
I guess we'll just have to wait NN to tell us why he dislikes this particular aspect of it so much.

Greg.

[PGN]

I think it's right to characterize the Lone Star Treble-O-Lectric as the first true N gauge; and they did have two British diesels in the range. However, they were also an evolutionary dead-end, not least because their tension-lock couplers were incompatible with the Rapido type which became the industry standard.

Apart from these, the first British-outline RTR locomotive was a freelance tank locomotive running on the Minitrix T3 chassis, hand-built in small numbers by Highfield Models. They were reviewed in October 1966 Railway Modeller, with black and white photos of examples in LNER green and CR blue. I have one in NER green (colour photo in Nspirations 5, at page 31) and Stephen Middleton (son of Peter Middleton, the proprietor fo Highfield Models) advises me that they also made them in GER blue, and possibly other liveries as well.

The Graham Farish 94xx, which came to market five years later, is then the first true-to-prototype British Outline steam locomotive in N, and the first mass-produced British outline locomotive; closely followed by the GER Holden tank. (SUCH a shame they wrecked the moulds for that one, in order to produce the ghastly freelance "standard tank locomotive" in LMS and Southern liveries ... but they obviously felt they needed to have complete coverage of the "Big 4", and they had built up a good stock of Holden tanks in LNEW and BR liveries. But even so ...

Interestingly, I have a 94xx which has for some reason been repainted, by an unknown hand, in lined CR blue livery ... and it doesn't half look good!


Oh, and a pedantic little point on correct terminology, folks ... the rods which couple the wheels together on steam locomotives and some diesels are COUPLING rods, not connecting rods. The connecting rods are the ones that run from the cylinders to the wheels or (on inside cylinder engines) from the cylinder to the axle crank. Always makes me cringe a bit to hear coupling rods referred to as connecting rods!

[belstone]

Oh, and a pedantic little point on correct terminology, folks ... the rods which couple the wheels together on steam locomotives and some diesels are COUPLING rods, not connecting rods. The connecting rods are the ones that run from the cylinders to the wheels or (on inside cylinder engines) from the cylinder to the axle crank. Always makes me cringe a bit to hear coupling rods referred to as connecting rods!

That's me told 

[Newportnobby]

an open driver cab window......

  Sorry NN, but I'm not entirely sure I understand this comment. Class 101s did run with cab windows open particularly in summer months. I'm not saying you must like it, but just wondering what is so wrong with it?

Not sure I would say it's always sunny on my layouts, Greg, but to show the difference between the old and the new.........................


Q.E.D., methinks

[PGN]

Um ... which is the old, and which the new?

(They're a bit modern for my taste ... and all Diesels look alike to me  )