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Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« on: July 21, 2015, 09:22:08 PM »
I believe a class 92 is missing from the RTR Market. Sadly the beautiful CJM models are not affordable for some modelers so I was wondering if this has ever crossed any companies mind. Surely I'm not the only one who could use a class 92. (Maybe also a one-off 89... :claphappy: :laugh:)

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 09:31:56 PM »
Altyhough not rtr, there is a most excellent kit available -

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=5668.0

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 10:01:43 PM »
Hi Gang,

I reckon the 92 will appear rtr in a little while.
Just a case of who blinks first to do it......

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 10:21:08 AM »
FWIW I agree with Stu and the OP. It is so obvious to me!

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 01:27:03 PM »
I thought Dapol had announced a class 92? I know it was quite a while ago, but I have not heard that they have changed their minds about it. I may be mistaken, though.

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 01:40:15 PM »
Hi All,

The class 92 would be a great addition to a rtr range, (even if I get my kit done first) but as stu says its who is going blink first.

The Pendo may acutaully make them take the class 92 seriously, after all 1000+ models sold before one is even made is a serious heads up to the possible market of AC electrics.

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 02:30:47 PM »
I thought Dapol had announced a class 92? I know it was quite a while ago, but I have not heard that they have changed their minds about it.

They did as part of their Magnificent 7 some years ago, but dropped it following disappointing sales of the 86.



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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2015, 02:52:52 PM »
What do you class a dissapointing sales??

Mike maybe you and Ben could have started something with the pendo with the exception of the like of 323 you can rather accuratly do large chunks of the WCML now all that would be missing is the 92.

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 03:27:05 PM »
Hi Gareth

I don't know how many 86s Dapol produced, but they are on record as describing sales as disappointing.  You are right that without context that doesn't really help us - if they produced 1000 of each number but only sold 250 then that would be disappointing, on the other hand if they produced 200 of each and sold 180 that might not be so disappointing. We do know that some of the original batch of 86s are still available.

We like to fill gaps - that was part of the reasoning behind the Pendolino!  The problem is no matter how much we might want to, we can't do everything at once.

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 03:50:52 PM »
The Pendo may acutaully make them take the class 92 seriously, after all 1000+ models sold before one is even made is a serious heads up to the possible market of AC electrics.
I hope that's true. It eludes me why the 86 was such a poor seller -- it's a lovely model in lots of colourful liveries eminently suitable for "Rule 1" applications.

That said, wouldn't a (modern) Class 90 be more useful?

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 04:02:17 PM »
Ideally I'd have bought two 86s at normal retail price - one in BR blue and one in InterCity, but the BR blue ones are as rare as hen's teeth (IIRC there was a run of 250 for a model shop?) and the InterCity ones are hard to find too, and not available new. So now I have 3.5; one is a second-hand InterCity version, 1 was a Dapol bargain NSE version which I didn't particularly want but at the time it was the nearest one to a proper BR livery, and 1.5 are the Network Rail Yellow one + dummy as Dapol bargain, which I really don't want but will make good candidates for respraying into BR blue.

So from my point of view the demand is there, the supply is not.
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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 04:13:12 PM »
The BR blue ones were from C&M models, I found out to late to get one myself. One in a blue moon they appear on ebay but you have to pay over the odds.

Of the 86s I have the NR pair, Intercity, freightliner and railfreight ones, I personally think the issue comes to there not been a big range of fellow AC types or supporting scenic items, but time may change that.

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2015, 04:15:11 PM »
Ideally I'd have bought two 86s at normal retail price - one in BR blue and one in InterCity, but the BR blue ones are as rare as hen's teeth (IIRC there was a run of 250 for a model shop?) and the InterCity ones are hard to find too, and not available new.
Agreed. I eventually got one of the C&M Models exclusives in BR blue, 'City of Carlisle', and a lovely model it is too. C&M had a two-year period of exclusivity, so if Dapol wanted to produce more BR blue 86s, they would be free to do so.

It does seem odd that certain liveries sell quickly (the InterCity one in particular) yet others sit about in the shops being endlessly discounted. Has any Dapol model endured the humiliation of being a constant 'bargain' at both Dapol and Hattons month after month after month???

In any event, I'm definitely buying and laying down 86s and 87s as funds allow -- I might even be tempted to get a second Class 350 EMU as well. I fear we won't be seeing any new 25kV AC electrics for a while...

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 04:31:53 PM »
What do you class a dissapointing sales??

Mike maybe you and Ben could have started something with the pendo with the exception of the like of 323 you can rather accuratly do large chunks of the WCML now all that would be missing is the 92.
The 323 is available as a conversion kit for the Farish 170 from Electra Railwau Graphics with cab and other etches from Etched Pixels. P&H Designs have also just released 3D printed bodyshells for the 323 which look really lovely (and will also be getting vinyls produced for them in due course).

I also do the 310, which ran on the WCML until the early 2000s so could also co-exist with the 92.

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Re: Suggestion for Revolution Trains or any other company
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 04:34:11 PM »
If Dapol do the BR blue ones I will be after one of them!!

The sales of certain liveries, doesnt suprise me it is all about the eras people are after.
As for AC locos and units i think you are right there may be a drought of them in the coming years.

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