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Re: Grand Central trains
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2020, 02:13:55 PM »
Reliable to use a 90 and loco hauled then

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Re: Grand Central trains
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2020, 08:05:26 PM »
Given that the route is wired, it doesn't make sense to use diesel traction anyhow.

However, I did see one of these very smart units come through Cambridge North recently during ECML diversions.

That is true.

The 180s are nice enough units to travel on (much better than the similar-age Voyagers) - the problem is that right from new they have been chronically unreliable.
From the perspective of an occasional Hull Trains user, the 180s were a definite step BACKWARDS in both comfort and reliability from the Class 222 Pioneers which were essentially a Voyager but with a much better interior.
The Class 802 is another step above both of those, but again HT have specified a better interior than other operators with fewer seats of a different type, better legroom and more tables...

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Re: Grand Central trains
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2020, 08:30:38 PM »
From the photos I've seen of the HT ones they appear to have identical seats to the other three operators, and actually the legroom in all of the fleets is Ok. They also have no buffet, just a kitchen for first class and a trolley for cattle class. I rather doubt if they are an improvement overall on either of the previous fleets in terms of interiors, although they will probably be more reliable than the 180s.

The only IET fleet with buffets is the LNER one, and that only because Virgin EC insisted on it and the DfT backed down.

 

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