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Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« on: March 06, 2015, 08:10:19 PM »
Hi,

So I was under the impression that the original plastic wheels on Peco goods wagons could be replaced with metal ones.  I have a batch of new packs of GF steel wagon wheels, but when I fit them the axle length is noticeably longer (though they will fit) but converted Peco stock now won't roll free and won't work on a full train at all.  I thought it was supposed to be a straight swap?  What wheels should I have bought? I put the original plastic wheels back and everything runs OK again.  I don't need to swap them (they'll be used elsewhere converting pizza cutters) -but just trying to keep a clean track, and I thought metal was better than plastic for that.

Cheers,

Rich

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2015, 08:38:03 PM »
I believe the Parkside Dundas metal wheelsets are specifically designed as a straight swap for the Peco plastic ones. The Farish ones will fit after a fashion but the axles are slightly too long, as you said.
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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2015, 08:42:54 PM »
I think what you will find is the recess that the axle goes into in the peco wagon is not as deepaa the gf or parkside ones.

The gf wheels fit into parkside kits no problem.  The options here are either gently drill the recess deeper to allow the extra lemgth of the axle to run free or file the gf axles down to the size of the peco ones

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2015, 08:50:42 PM »
Hmm, fair points guys.  I know you can get little axle reamers, but I really can't be faffed to be honest.  I have a couple of Parkside Grampus kits left -I botched one so far so should try that pair of spare axles first I guess.  I wasn't sure if filing the points off the GF wheels was an option.  Might just live with the plastic wheels to be honest.  Maybe I picked up on the wheel swap options wrong -no probs, they'll be used elsewhere as-is :thumbsup:

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2015, 09:52:09 PM »


Hi,

So I was under the impression that the original plastic wheels on Peco goods wagons could be replaced with metal ones.  I have a batch of new packs of GF steel wagon wheels, but when I fit them the axle length is noticeably longer (though they will fit) but converted Peco stock now won't roll free and won't work on a full train at all.  I thought it was supposed to be a straight swap?  What wheels should I have bought? I put the original plastic wheels back and everything runs OK again.  I don't need to swap them (they'll be used elsewhere converting pizza cutters) -but just trying to keep a clean track, and I thought metal was better than plastic for that.

Cheers,

Rich

I have replaced all of the Peco stock that I have with modern Graham Farish wheel sets and to make them "fit" properly I pinch the axle box covers tightly over the wheel set, then see how it runs - usually on or two treatments make them run as good as the originals, and the metal wheel sets keep much cleaner than the plastic ones

Regards,

Alex

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 08:47:54 PM »
Hailstone

I just want to say thanks for your above tip, and thank you Rich (HST) for posing the original question.

I bought some Bachmann wheels yesterday to fit onto some peco wagons and had the same problem. About to put the project on hold as I too couldn't get them free running, I thought a quick use if the search function might be a good idea. That's when I came across this gem.

Okay, they're not yet as free wheeling as a Bachmann wagon, but they are good enough and for me, being used in a yard (not on vast lengths of track and not in long rakes), they will be good enough.

The pinpoints of the axles really do "drill" into the axle box covers.

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2015, 02:24:41 AM »
Hailstone

I just want to say thanks for your above tip, and thank you Rich (HST) for posing the original question.

I bought some Bachmann wheels yesterday to fit onto some peco wagons and had the same problem. About to put the project on hold as I too couldn't get them free running, I thought a quick use if the search function might be a good idea. That's when I came across this gem.

Okay, they're not yet as free wheeling as a Bachmann wagon, but they are good enough and for me, being used in a yard (not on vast lengths of track and not in long rakes), they will be good enough.

The pinpoints of the axles really do "drill" into the axle box covers.

Cheers

Dan

Seems like a good idea to me too. I've filed a very tiny bit off the ends of my axles to make them fit and that seems to work just fine. My only concern with this method is that the way in which the slightly flattened ends might wear the axle boxes could be an issue in the long term. I first tried drilling the axle box and this proved to be a disaster as the material is so soft and thin the drill bit went straight through in a flas.

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015, 09:38:52 AM »
I've just fitted Farish/Bachman steel wheels to three Peco wagon kits and following a good squeeze  ;) everything seems hunky dory!

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 10:59:39 AM »
I've just fitted Farish/Bachman steel wheels to three Peco wagon kits and following a good squeeze  ;) everything seems hunky dory!

:thankyousign: for the tip!

Just came across this thread. I too am replacing 400 pairs of Peco plastic grot collectors with nice metal wheels. This is a start to re-wheeling all my stock over the coming winter months.
Some many moons ago I purchased a bulk lot of 3 hole metal disc wheels on axles, I think from Bernie Taylor. I often speak to the supplier when I want bulk, and they ship without packaging for a discount.
I have done this too with Nick at N Brass when I bulk buy fencing. Smaller Suppliers seem quite keen to co-operate on this.
So does anyone know where bulk wheels are available now-a-days...I really won't pay Bachmanns prices?
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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 11:33:45 AM »
Isn't someone on here actually selling these, maybe via Kickstarter ?  Sure there was a thread a few weeks back ?

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2015, 11:36:35 AM »


Yes, Bob Davis, @NTrain, is doing some, not sure which variants he's doing, but I'm sure he'll be along soon to tell us  :D :D

Cheers

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2015, 11:49:41 AM »


Yes, Bob Davis, @NTrain, is doing some, not sure which variants he's doing, but I'm sure he'll be along soon to tell us  :D :D

Cheers

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2015, 11:54:37 AM »


Yes, Bob Davis, @NTrain, is doing some, not sure which variants he's doing, but I'm sure he'll be along soon to tell us  :D :D

Cheers

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2015, 12:01:35 PM »


Yes, Bob Davis, @NTrain, is doing some, not sure which variants he's doing, but I'm sure he'll be along soon to tell us  :D :D

Cheers

Neal.


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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2015, 11:36:46 AM »


Yes, Bob Davis, @NTrain, is doing some, not sure which variants he's doing, but I'm sure he'll be along soon to tell us  :D :D

Cheers

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