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N gauge Pendolino

Yes I'd invest in a crowd sourcing venture for a 9 car N gauge Pendolino
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #90 on: August 27, 2014, 05:21:48 PM »
Although it is completely not in either my time period or area, I would be prepared to buy one just to see it made and you never know, I may give up kettles one day.   :)

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #91 on: August 27, 2014, 06:31:09 PM »
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It's perfectly ok to own a pendo and still have kettles, you don't have to do one exclusively.
As long as its N  :NGaugersRule:

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #92 on: August 27, 2014, 08:03:02 PM »

Hello Alan,

You make some good points, and they are similar to the concerns I had before deciding to get involved with this.

In terms of project delivery, both. Mike and I have done this with a variety of models for the NGS via both Dapol and Farish.  I am confident I can take care of package design and marketing while Mike has experience in budget controls and websites. We'll do all this sort of stuff unpaid, thus saving a relatively small but significant amount  to keep the pledge level as low as possible.

Similarly, rather than going it alone we are utilising Dave Jones's expertise and links with particular factories in China. Both Dave, and as importantly the factory, have a proven track record in producing high quality models in N - most notably perhaps the Class 52 western.

On top of this, for DJM there is the prize of this model joining his range in the future.  Not only does this allow him to subsidise the Kickstarter project to a considerable degree (bearing costs of shipping, taxes etc) but it's also a very strong incentive to succeed. Plus once the project is underway we would be covered by the same financial protections that DJM use for their own models in event of the factory burning down or some other unforeseen calamity.

The thing about Kickstarter is that once the funding is there there is no advantage to anyone in the supply chain for the project not to deliver.

Cheers

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #93 on: August 27, 2014, 08:04:37 PM »
I don't think fraud is the problem - it's the 'Dave Jones taken ill' problem that is more of a concern.

I'm hoping it works well. My own rule of thumb is 'would I buy this off the people named via ebay', which is really not much different!


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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #94 on: August 27, 2014, 08:08:42 PM »
God I hope not, unless you have me as. Marked man? Lol :angel:

Mind you..............

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #95 on: August 27, 2014, 08:29:13 PM »
I work in Information services and a number of my smaller projects are turning grey area IT into enterprise solutions.

these are typically apps that one person has come up with but need to be hardened and made supportable, the question we most commonly ask is the what happens if Dave is hit by a bus.....as all knowledge of the product is held in one brain :) and not properly documented

In this project I think that is less of an issue as you have 3 people putting it together I would encourage them to have a shared knowledge and be as transparent as possible (ie a good communication plan :)) so if one is indisposed everything doesn't fail
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #96 on: August 27, 2014, 08:50:47 PM »
the question we most commonly ask is the what happens if Dave is hit by a bus.....

Be OK if it's a Farish bus, they're underscale so won't hurt so much ;)


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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2014, 06:00:23 PM »
Thanks to everyone who has completed the survey - it is already starting to provide some useful information which will help us decide on the specification (albeit on a relatively small sample size!).

If there is more interest in the project please do take a couple of minutes to fill in the survey - it is only short!

http://www.ngaugependolino.com/n-gauge-pendolino-survey/

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2014, 06:26:53 PM »
Mike,

Done the survey - but one thing slipped my mind - will capability to take 9" curves be an issue do you think?

Cheers  Jon  :)
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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2014, 07:19:17 PM »
Thanks to everyone who has completed the survey - it is already starting to provide some useful information which will help us decide on the specification (albeit on a relatively small sample size!).

If there is more interest in the project please do take a couple of minutes to fill in the survey - it is only short!

http://www.ngaugependolino.com/n-gauge-pendolino-survey/

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Many thanks

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Hi Mike

I think I have completed it correctly. While not able to commit to a full 9 car set at £250, a shorter 5 car one I could probably justify (assuming it would come in at a proportionately lower price).

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2014, 07:28:19 PM »
Thanks to everyone who has completed the survey - it is already starting to provide some useful information which will help us decide on the specification (albeit on a relatively small sample size!).

If there is more interest in the project please do take a couple of minutes to fill in the survey - it is only short!

http://www.ngaugependolino.com/n-gauge-pendolino-survey/

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I think I have completed it correctly. While not able to commit to a full 9 car set at £250, a shorter 5 car one I could probably justify (assuming it would come in at a proportionately lower price).


Thanks Roy - provided between us we can work out a sensible way of managing orders for incomplete sets then we will try to offer a shortened set (and yes, it would be lower priced).  We've got to see what is possible with Dave but we certainly have it in mind.

Done the survey - but one thing slipped my mind - will capability to take 9" curves be an issue do you think?


Hi Jon

Good point! The intermediate coaches should squeeze round 9 inch curves (as they are roughly the same length as a Voyager car), the driving cars might be slightly more problematic as they are 25m coaches (as opposed to 23.9m). We will have to investigate.

Cheers, Mike



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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2014, 07:54:22 PM »
Good point! The intermediate coaches should squeeze round 9 inch curves (as they are roughly the same length as a Voyager car), the driving cars might be slightly more problematic as they are 25m coaches (as opposed to 23.9m). We will have to investigate.

Fingers crossed - the layout is already built!  I wouldn't mind doing some minor mods (to the Pendo) but it would be nice not to have to.

By the way, my "Eurostar" takes the 9" curves with no problem despite the instructions saying otherwise.

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2014, 08:05:49 PM »
Eurostars are shorter bodies than a Pendolino (shorter than a Mk3 IIRC) so I wouldn't have expected them to have a problem!

Cheers, Mike



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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2014, 09:41:34 PM »
Would it not be best to ensure it does go round 9" curves as surely one piece of the target market will be youngsters starting out with a small oval of track such that they can have one of their favourite trains going round. More experienced modellers would benefit from this in the sure knowledge larger layouts would cope better :hmmm:

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Re: Pendolino - a new approach
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2014, 10:06:57 PM »
Would it not be best to ensure it does go round 9" curves

Nobby

As I've already said, if possible then that will be the case but it would not be the first (or last) model that does not go round 9" curves - there are plenty out there already which don't like 9" curves.

We need to check whether it is physically possible for such a long coach to go round 9" curves.

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