Bachmann hike price's by 20%

[Roy L S]

Just been on farish website new prices coming through  looked at 373-235 polybulk weathered nearly fell of my chair  £43 retail either thats a mistake or thats not 20%
Nobby

Looking at locos, most steamers seem more restrained. 64xx, Jinty, Ivatts and Fairburns by a Fiver, Duchess no change, A2 by a Fiver.

Soon to arrive Mk1 Sleeping cars up about £3 a time, all coaches seeing a bit of a hike but then they have lots of individual underframe components etc.

Most short wheelbase wagons up from about £10 to £12.


Those kind of numbers I can live with and maybe they reflect some costs already factored in or work already done to simplify production? Also they may reflect materials and shipping where 8 N coaches theoretically fits the footprint of a single 00 product (or not far off it).

Notably some like the Castle are now "TBA" though...

Roy

[daveg]

I'm sure I'm not the only one with a fair bit (mainly locos) on pre-order. The oldest orders place some 14 months ago.

My loco pre-order book with the Liverpool folk comes to just about £500 with a 70/30 GF/Dapol split. That will be OK if the deliveries are spread through the rest of this year as I have been saving.

I've not heard from Liverpool to say that prices have to increase (can they on pre order stuff?) but it'd be a bitter blow if it's more than a couple of per cent. If the hike is higher I may have to pare down what I really 'need'.

Dave G 

[Geoff]

I was talking to the bloke who owns Trident Trains and he told me that the increases  will be from 6% to 25% and majority of the high percentage will be on highly detailed wagons because of the tooling that is needed, he thinks that N gauge stuff will not be highly increased.

But as we all know only time will tell.

[Karhedron]

I've not heard from Liverpool to say that prices have to increase (can they on pre order stuff?)

They can increase their prices however I cannot think of any examples where they have done so in the past. Even with the Farish Ivatt which increased a lot between announcement and release due to the long delays, they honoured the original price for those who had pre-ordered.

I suspect that they realise that in the long term, the good will generated by honouring such agreements will result in more future trade. A satisfied customer will be back and in the long run, that is probably worth more than the difference in prices between announcement and release.

[Newportnobby]

I suspect that they realise that in the long term, the good will generated by honouring such agreements will result in more future trade. A satisfied customer will be back and in the long run, that is probably worth more than the difference in prices between announcement and release.

Especially as there will be the same number of retailers chasing a diminishing market as buyers rein in their expenditure due to the increase in pricing

[trkilliman]

Each to their own of course. Personally I will give a lot more thought to any future purchases, with "at a whim" purchases being a thing of the past.
Like many I'm sure I have a bit too much stuff anyway! There has been a good range of comments on these unprecedented price rises, but it's the the non-forum element and their reaction that remains to be seen.

My final word on the subject...I think their sales will fall in the current climate, only increasing as and when the economy improves and across the earnings spectrum we can all see ourselves will an increase in disposable income...for our trains.

[1936ace]

Can stop guessing what prices may be, On Tracks sent me an email with what they will be selling at. I have do a separate post but here it is also
   Graham Farish N scale            
GRA370-110    Depot Master Graham Farish N scale train set   £99.99   £119.99   £86.40   £33.59
GRA371-019   Class 08 08897 EWS Weathered   £84.35   £101.22   £71.70   £29.52
GRA371-385   Class 66 66546 Freightliner   £104.95   £125.94   £89.22   £36.72
GRA371-394   Class 66 (Low Emission Variant) 66623 Freightliner Bardon Ag   £101.80   £122.16   £76.36   £45.80
GRA371-396    Class 66 (Low Emission Variant) 66731 InterhubGB GBRf   £104.95   £125.94   £89.22   £36.72
GRA371-603A   Class 42 Warship D829 Magpie BR Maroon Full Yellow Ends   £106.05   £127.26   £79.54   £47.72
GRA371-878   Class 108 2 Car DMU BR Blue (Power Twin)   £116.70   £140.04   £87.53   £52.51
GRA372-752   Fairburn 2-6-4 Tank 42073 BR Black Late Crest   £99.95   £119.94   £84.97   £34.97
GRA372-753   Fairburn 2-6-4 Tank 42267 BR Black Late Crest Weathered   £109.95   £131.94   £93.47   £38.47
GRA372-800A    Class A1 60163 Tornado BR Lined Brunswick Green   £157.35   £188.82   £133.75   £55.07
GRA373-077D   DISC PCA Tapered Bulk Powder Wagon Grey   £8.95   £10.74   £7.13   £3.61
GRA373-217   24 Ton Ore Hopper Wagon Richard Thomas   £10.95   £13.14   £9.31   £3.83
GRA373-260B   8 Ton Cattle Wagon BR Bauxite (Early)   £9.15   £10.98   £7.78   £3.20
GRA373-403C    31 Ton OAA Open Plank Wagon Railfreight Red & Grey   £9.00   £10.80   £7.66   £3.14
GRA373-476A   DISC 46 Tonne glw CEA Covered Hopper Wagon EWS   £8.95   £10.74   £7.13   £3.61
GRA373-628C   31 Ton OBA Open Wagon With High Ends EWS   £11.35   £13.62   £9.65   £3.97
GRA373-878B   24 Tonne MFA Open Box Mineral Wagon EWS   £10.30   £12.36   £8.76   £3.60
GRA373-900E   46 Tonne glw HAA Hopper Freight Brown - Weathered   £12.95   £15.54   £11.00   £4.54
GRA373-901C   46 Tonne glw HAA Hopper EWS Weathered   £12.95   £15.54   £11.00   £4.54
GRA373-902B    46 Tonne glw HAA Hopper BR Railfreight Coal Sector   £11.95   £14.34   £10.16   £4.18
GRA374-011   DISC BR Mk1 SO Coach BR Green   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-063   DISC BR MK1 SK Coach BR Green   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-117A   BR Mk1 RU Restaurant Car (WR) Chocolate & Cream   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-133   BR Mk1 GUV Rail Express Systems   £19.70   £23.64   £16.74   £6.90
GRA374-163   BR MK1 FK First Corridor (WR) Chocolate & Cream   £19.70   £23.64   £16.74   £6.90
GRA374-185   DISC BR MK1 BSK Coach BR Crimson & Cream   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-186   DISC BR MK1 BSK Coach BR Green   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-186B   BR Mk1 BSK Brake Second Corridor (SR) Green   £19.70   £23.64   £16.74   £6.90
GRA374-187   DISC BR MK1 BSK Coach BR Maroon   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-241    BR Mk1 BSP Pullman Second Bar Car Nightcap Bar Blue & Grey   £22.95   £27.54   £19.51   £8.03
GRA374-255   DISC BR MK1 CK Coach BR Crimson & Cream   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-256   DISC BR MK1 CK Coach BR Chocolate & Cream   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-256A   disc  BR Mk1 CK Composite Corridor (WR) Chocolate & Cream   £19.70   £23.64   £16.74   £6.90
GRA374-257   DISC BR MK1 CK Coach BR Maroon   £19.70   £23.64   £15.77   £7.87
GRA374-257B   BR Mk1 CK Composite Corridor Maroon   £19.70   £23.64   £16.74   £6.90
GRA374-258B   BR Mk1 CK Composite Corridor Blue & Grey   £19.70   £23.64   £16.74   £6.90
GRA374-270B   BR Mk1 57ft Suburban Compartment Second Crimson   £17.85   £21.42   £15.17   £6.25
GRA374-271B   BR Mk1 57ft Suburban Compartment Second Maroon   £17.85   £21.42   £15.17   £6.25
GRA374-280B    BR Mk1 57ft Suburban Composite Crimson   £17.85   £21.42   £15.17   £6.25
GRA374-327A   DISC BR Mk3 TS Trailer Standard 42235 GNER   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-327B   DISC BR Mk3 TS Trailer Standard 42243 GNER   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-327C   DISC BR Mk3 TS Trailer Standard 42057 GNER   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-327D   DISC BR Mk3 TS Trailer Standard 42219 GNER   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-380   BR Mk3 TRFB Trailer Restaurant First Buffet Cross Country   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-403A   BR Mk3 TGS Trailer Guard Standard GNER   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-431   Bulleid 63ft Second Brake Corridor Open BR Crimson & Cream   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-440   Bulleid 63ft Second Corridor BR (SR) Green   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-460   Bulleid 63ft Composite Corridor BR (SR) Green   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-461   Bulleid 63ft Composite Corridor BR Crimson & Cream   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-680   BR MK2A BSO Brake Second Open Blue & Grey   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-800   BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car Blue & Grey   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-804A   BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car Chocolate & Cream   £17.40   £20.88   £14.80   £6.08
GRA374-807   BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car Crimson & Cream   £20.95   £25.14   £17.81   £7.33
GRA374-808   BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car Maroon   £20.95   £25.14   £17.81   £7.33
GRA374-809   BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car (SR) Green   £20.95   £25.14   £17.81   £7.33
GRA374-810    BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car (WR) Chocolate & Cream   £20.95   £25.14   £17.81   £7.33
GRA374-811   BR Mk1 RFO Restaurant Car Blue & Grey   £20.95   £25.14   £17.81   £7.33
GRA374-815   BR Mk1 FO First Open Crimson & Cream   £20.30   £24.36   £17.26   £7.10
GRA374-827   Stanier Brake Second BR Maroon   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-885   LMS 50ft Full Brake Crimson Lake   £19.75   £23.70   £16.79   £6.91
GRA374-927   BR Mk1 SLSTP Sleeping Second Blue & Grey   £21.60   £25.92   £18.36   £7.56
GRA376-761   Water Tower   £7.50   £9.00   £6.37   £2.63
GRA377-002A   40 Tonne Seacow (Ex Sealion) YGA Bogie Hopper Wagon EWS   £22.60   £27.12   £19.21   £7.91
GRA377-077A   7 Plank Fixed End Wagon Thomas Styles   £7.95   £9.54   £6.76   £2.78
GRA377-078B    7 Plank End Door Wagon BR Grey   £7.95   £9.54   £6.76   £2.78
GRA377-086   7 Plank End Door Wagon E & A. Shadrack   £7.95   £9.54   £6.76   £2.78
GRA377-101A   DISC 90 Tonne glw JGA Bogie Hopper Buxton Lime Industries   £21.50   £25.80   £17.15   £8.65
GRA377-102A   90 Tonne glw JGA Bogie Hopper Tarmac   £22.80   £27.36   £19.38   £7.98
GRA377-176C   7 Plank Wagon With Coke Rail BR Grey   £8.50   £10.20   £7.22   £2.98
GRA377-250D   16 Ton Steel Mineral Wagon BR Grey   £7.65   £9.18   £6.50   £2.68
GRA377-325A   Conflat With BD Container Speedfreight   £9.80   £11.76   £8.33   £3.43
GRA377-326B   Conflat With AF Container Light Blue   £9.80   £11.76   £8.33   £3.43
GRA377-327A   Conflat With AF Container GWR White   £9.80   £11.76   £8.33   £3.43
GRA377-340A    Conflat With 2 AF Containers BR Insulated White   £10.45   £12.54   £8.88   £3.66
GRA377-550A   DISC 31 Tonne OCA Dropside Open Wagon BR Departmental Dutch   £13.15   £15.78   £10.49   £5.29
GRA377-551A   31 Tonne OCA Dropside Open Wagon Railfreight Red   £13.95   £16.74   £11.86   £4.88
GRA377-552A   31 Tonne OCA Dropside Open Wagon EWS   £13.95   £16.74   £11.86   £4.88
GRA377-575A   DISC 102 Tonne glw HYA Bulk Coal Hopper Wagon GBRf (VTG)   £20.65   £24.78   £16.54   £8.24
GRA377-600   DISC 80 Tonne glw BDA Bogie Bolster Wagon Loadhaul   £20.90   £25.08   £16.66   £8.42
GRA377-602A   80 Tonne glw BDA Bogie Bolster Wagon EWS   £22.20   £26.64   £18.88   £7.76
GRA377-626A   12 Ton BR Plywood Fruit Van BR Bauxite (Late)   £9.50   £11.40   £8.08   £3.32
GRA377-628A   12 Ton BR Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (Late)   £9.50   £11.40   £8.08   £3.32
GRA377-650    MBA Megabox High-Sided Bogie Box Wagon EWS (with Buffers)   £22.25   £26.70   £18.91   £7.79
GRA377-651   MBA Megabox High-Sided Bogie Box Wagon EWS (without Buffers)   £22.25   £26.70   £18.91   £7.79
GRA377-726   SPA Wagon with Steel Coils Railfreight Metal Sector   £15.85   £19.02   £13.48   £5.54
GRA377-852   SR 25 Ton 'Pill Box' Brake Van BR Grey   £13.25   £15.90   £11.27   £4.63
GRA379-013   Graham Farish Catalogue 2013/14   £6.25   £7.50   £6.37   £1.13
GRA379-201   Ramps (x2)   £4.25   £5.10   £3.61   £1.49
GRA379-304   Station Passengers Standing   £6.95   £8.34   £5.90   £2.44
GRA379-305    Station Passengers Sitting   £6.95   £8.34   £5.90   £2.44
GRA379-353A   20ft Containers Hapag-Lloyd & Hanjin (x4)   £8.05   £9.66   £6.84   £2.82
GRA379-401   disc  NEM Couplings (Standard) (x20)   £4.50   £5.40   £3.83   £1.57
GRA379-563    Guy Arab II Devon General   £8.95   £10.74   £7.61   £3.13
GRA42-031   DISC Hampton Heath Colliery Woodstacks   £6.65   £7.98   £5.23   £2.75
GRA42-043   DISC Lineside Transformer Site   £29.95   £35.94   £25.45   £10.49
GRA42-046   DISC Outhouses (for use with 42-200)   £8.10   £9.72   £6.89   £2.83
GRA42-049    DISC Modern Industrial Unit   £25.50   £30.60   £21.67   £8.93
GRA42-065   DISC Art Deco Platform Centre Building   £17.95   £21.54   £15.25   £6.29
GRA42-070   DISC Coaling Tower   £74.95   £89.94   £63.71   £26.23
GRA42-072   DISC Depot Crane   £29.95   £35.94   £25.45   £10.49
GRA42-081   DISC Portable Offices   £19.95   £23.94   £16.96   £6.98
GRA42-103   DISC Farm House   £29.95   £35.94   £25.45   £10.49
GRA42-104   DISC Red Brick Hay Barn   £33.50   £40.20   £28.48   £11.72
GRA42-105    DISC Red Brick Pigsty   £17.50   £21.00   £14.88   £6.12
GRA42-115   DISC Great Central Gentlemans Toilet   £16.50   £19.80   £14.03   £5.77
GRA42-140   DISC Bicycle Hut   £5.95   £7.14   £5.05   £2.09
GRA42-200   DISC Rear of Terraced Houses   £18.35   £22.02   £15.60   £6.42
GRA42-214    Low Relief Railway Hotel   £26.95   £32.34   £22.91   £9.43
Bart

[PLD]

Bart,

what are the four values you have listed for each item??

[Roy L S]

Bart,

what are the four values you have listed for each item??

See the other thread Running.

I think they are (although guessing the last two): -

1)Current Price
2)New Price
3)Wholesale price
4)Dealer Margin

As I mentioned on the other post, these do not reflect recent post announcement increases ALREADY showing on the Bachmann website after 1st May, most locos including current stock at Barwell will be increasing by closer to the 20% originally mooted assuming this is accurate (and no reason to doubt it).

I therefore I suspect prices will be closer to those originally predicted and not the modest increases initially shown.

Such is life I guess. I was relieved to believe from the initial price changes on the Bachmann website that prices wouldnot go up as much, but not to be it now seems.

Roy

[Roy L S]

Bart

Sorry, one further comment/question that now occurs to me if you can find out.

Clearly this is not the entire Bach-Farish N Gauge range listed, it it simply an extract (and is there a full list) OR are other increases as already showing on Bachmann website?

Roy

[longbridge]

Waste of time debating this really, if the Bachmann have a price increase of 20% we either pay the price or forget it.

Most modellers will pay whatever the cost for an item if they really need it, if they don't need it they wont buy it, simple as that.

[Agrippa]

There's no point in going on about volumes of models produced, ownership of factories , moulds, losses by
Bachmann or Hornby. In the end you can either buy the goods or whistle Dixie.

Yep, you got it !

[1936ace]

sorry about that, must have cut off the title bit

it was on tracks sales prices

2013 rrp    2014  rrp     on tracks retail price      savings

i just did a copy/paste of their email that they sent out to all

bart

[Roy L S]

sorry about that, must have cut off the title bit

it was on tracks sales prices

2013 rrp    2014  rrp     on tracks retail price      savings

i just did a copy/paste of their email that they sent out to all

bart

Thank you for clarifying Bart. so my guesses on the last two columns was completely wrong!

However are these CONFIRMED RRPs for 2014? (I.e. Are these Bachmann's or just assumptions made by Antics?).

As far as I can see, from all examples I have taken at random, they have simply applied an arbitrary 20% price hike to 2013 prices across everything showing which from what we have been told by Bachmann is NOT what will happen.

Roy

[1936ace]

hi roy

not sure mate how on tracks came to the 2014 prices

bart