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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5805 on: March 19, 2019, 06:22:29 PM »
I thought that Exeter Central was above Exeter St Davids

Regards,

Alex
Oops, my mistake. Now corrected.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5806 on: March 19, 2019, 06:40:06 PM »
I thought that Exeter Central was above Exeter St Davids

Regards,

Alex

Thanks, Alex and Martin (for the correction). Here is a map:

https://www.traveldevon.info/train/devon-rail-network/
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5807 on: March 19, 2019, 07:25:20 PM »
I think the 45XX is a 2-6-2T rather than a Mogul (2-6-0).
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5808 on: March 19, 2019, 07:30:31 PM »
I think the 45XX is a 2-6-2T rather than a Mogul (2-6-0).
Hmmm.....I don’t think I was concentrating today. Oops.
Amended again  :dunce:
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5809 on: March 19, 2019, 11:00:38 PM »
Hi Martin,

 Picky bunch aren't they  ;). Looks like 3 days just running a loco up and down the Trepol Bay incline as punishment for you me boy  :D.

Thanks for the continuing story.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS For others St. David's is definitely down from Central and blimmin' miles I seem to remember as my father was too tight to buy us tickets from the town to go there train spotting. Aged about 12 I enjoyed going down there and saw some interesting trains but coming back up was a nightmare. Maybe it wasn't miles and my memory is clouded but I have visions of the Hovis boy with his bike  :).

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5810 on: March 20, 2019, 09:19:00 AM »
As Martin has described, Exmouth Junction shed was being used to stable WR diesel-hydraulic locos. alongside SR steam locos. in 1963. Exmouth Junction shed did not become the WR's 83D (from the SR's 72A) until September 1963. It was not closed to steam until June 1965 but was still used to stable WR DMUs and diesel locos. until it was closed completely in March 1967. In our 'Alternative West Country', BR SR steam continued in the Southwest until 1967.

W.R steam continued for some time after 24/8/1963, although a 45xx on a Truro train would be unusual, NB Type 2s plus coaches and diesel railcars (in pairs), off-peak, being more common. However, Easter, will see a return to largely WR steam loco. operation of services in North and West Cornwall.

Unlike in our 'Alternative West Country', the first weekend of September 1964 proved to be a momentous one for the railways of North Cornwall, Devon and West Somerset. The summer dated trains and timetables ended on the weekend of 5/6 September. On this weekend, over 50 years ago, most of the through trains from places like Padstow, Ilfracombe and Plymouth to Waterloo were withdrawn leaving the trains to start at Exeter. At the same time, the Exeter to Waterloo part of the service was dieselised using "Warships" in the D800 series (later, Class 42). One result of this was that the last "Atlantic Coast Express" (ACE) ran from Waterloo to multiple destinations in Devon and Cornwall on Saturday 5 September 1964. It was steam-hauled throughout. The following Monday there was only one through train from Waterloo to any destination beyond Exeter St. Davids, and that was at 1.10am.

However . . . From Waterloo are coming rumours [late 1964] about the fastest ever "Atlantic Coast Express" (through carriages serve Penmayne and Trepol Bay). Following the 1963 "acceleration of the 9.00 a.m. from Waterloo to Exeter to the unprecedented time of 2 hrs. 48 mins. inclusive of a Salisbury stop and an eleven-coach formation . . . [T]he 'Atlantic Coast Express' itself was . . . speeded up by eight minutes to arrive at Exeter Central at 1.50 p.m. and the 7.00 p.m. down [had] a sizeable lopping of its schedule. In the up direction there [is] a fast train leaving Exeter at 6.30 p.m." Not surprisingly, railway enthusiasts "could hardly wait for the inaugural run of the speeded-up 9.00 a.m." [Source: "Bulleid's Pacifics" (4th ed.) by D.W. Winkworth (1982), George Allen & Unwin, p43. Alas the SR's plans never were implemented in real life but they were in our 'Alternative West Country'.]
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5811 on: March 20, 2019, 09:42:19 AM »
If we go back to 1962 (as we did in 2018) . . .

Summer 1962 Motive Power in North Cornwall

Apart from Cant Cove loco. shed (now owned by the CLPG) having been out of use since the extension from Cant Cove to Penmayne was opened in 1868, (other than for stabling the Castle branch loco.), and the former BR SR Penmayne steam shed (now used by the CLPG as 72G) and the new BR WR Penmayne diesel shed (a sub-shed to St Blazey), the closest BR Sheds to Cant Cove are Wadebridge (72F) and St Blazey (83E). BR SR's Trepol Bay (a sub-shed to Wadebridge), and BR WR's Port Perran (a sub-shed to Truro, 83F), sheds are used for stabling BR locos. allocated elsewhere and preserved locos. belonging to the CLPG (Trepol Bay as 72H) and GWS (Port Perran).

For the benefit of visiting railway enthusiasts, for 3d (three pennies), the CLPG have published a list of locos. allocated in the area this [June 1962] summer:

[This is part only]

Wadebridge (72F) (BR SR)
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1365 class 0-6-0PT 1368 (arrived April 1962). [Unfortunately, not available in N Gauge; so is at Wenfordbridge.] 1367 and 1369 arrive in August 1962.

57xx 0-6-0PTs: 4666 and 4694 (both arrived in December 1959 and work the (normally) 2-coach SR passenger trains Bodmin-Wadebridge-Penmayne. [They leave in January, 1963.]

0298 2-4-0Ts: 30585, 30586, and 30587 (arrived August 1950). [Unfortunately, not available in N Gauge; so also at Wenfordbridge.] [They leave in December, 1962.]

[Ivatt 2-6-2Ts 41275, 41295 arrive in January 1963 and leave in June 1964.]


St Blazey (83E) (BR WR; Officially Closed to Steam, 4/62)
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57xx 0-6-0PT: 4665 (7/60-8/62), 9716 (8/60-8/62)

4575 2-6-2T: 5518 (11/60-before 12/62), 5531 (8/61-before 12/62)

[They were both not transferred away until 1963, 5518 to 85B 28.09.1963 and 5531 to 84A Laira 28.09.1963. 5531 (83E) was photographed in BR Lined Green LC livery in excellent condition at St. Blazey with 4564 (83G Penzance) on 29th April 1962 the day after steam traction ceased at the depot. 5531 is preserved by GWS, Bodmin General, in BR Lined Green Late Crest (as photographed at Southall shed, 22nd December 1963).]

Truro (83F)
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57xx: 6770

Preserved Locos
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However, a wide variety of ex-BR WR steam locos. can also be found, operated by the GWS (Bodmin General and Trepol Bay), supplementing the above 4 survivors. These include examples of 14xx, 45xx, 51xx and 57xx tank engines and a pair of 78xx "Manor" 4-6-0s, all of which were classes formerly allocated to St Blazey. Larger BR WR 4-6-0s may also be seen on special trains.

The ‘Granges’ were ‘Red’ route restriction engines, along with ‘Halls’ (both original and modified) and ‘Castles’ so were mostly used on main lines. The ‘Manors’ were smaller and lighter which made them ‘Blue’ route restriction, hence their use on weight-restricted secondary (often single-track) lines, like the Cambrian.
 
There is very little difference in weight between a ‘Hall’ and a ‘Grange.’ An original ‘Hall’ weighed 75 tons (a ‘Modified Hall’ weighed an additional 16 cwt) with a ‘Grange’ being 74 tons. However, a ‘Manor’ weighed in at only 68 tons 18 cwt. 'Manors' can work right through to Penmayne. 'Granges', 'Halls', and 'Castles' can only work as far as Cant Cove, and only at reduced speeds and under special dispensation.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5812 on: March 21, 2019, 06:28:16 PM »
With all four railwaymen aboard, Eddie eased the Hymek down the hill from Central Station towards St David’s where they had a ten minute wait waiting for the road to Newton Abbot.  This allowed plenty of time to change cabs as was necessitated by the change in direction.
At 12.55 precisely they were on their way running down past Starcross then along the seawall section past Warren Halt, Dawlish and Teignmouth. With no signal checks they arrived into Newton at 13.20 where there was another wait for the road.
They eventually got the all clear at 13.26 leaving the station then bearing off left towards Torquay, Paignton and on to Churston, arriving at 13.52.
As they pulled into the small station, waiting in the siding they saw a rather grubby pannier standing at the head of a short rake of rather colourful wagons.....
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5813 on: March 22, 2019, 08:14:48 PM »
Please, visit The Tora Bora Line for the continuation of the "Hymek" story.

I need to return to the Wadebridge Yardmaster as there's a lot to report!

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5814 on: April 02, 2019, 09:56:47 PM »
It was a beautiful sunny morning at Wadebridge. Bill Truscott, the Wadebridge Yardmaster, was happy no longer to need the coal-fired stove and to have the windows open in his hut to let in the sharp clean air with the faintest hint of salt from the Camel estuary. It was now two weeks since he had been visited by William Wickham, affectionately known to all as the “Fat Controller”, and the departure, the next day, of Driver Eddie Bligh and Guard Andrew Parks, to Trepol Bay, and then Truro and Exmouth Junction.

Sitting on his chair outside his office, with a large metal mug of strong tea in hand, the Yardmaster was a happy man. Everything was running smoothly and he had had a series of good news telegrams from Eastleigh Works and calls from various railway friends informing him of the progress not only of Driver Bligh and Guard Parks but also various special goods and passenger train workings in preparation for Easter. A full program of special trains was booked for Friday 12th to Monday 15th April and all was prepared.

In the yard, the trusty Drewry diesel-mechanical shunter, D2290 in plain BR green livery and on loan from Eastleigh (71A), hitherto shared between Trepol Bay and Cant Cove, stood ready to depart back to Trepol Bay, as soon as there was a free path for it, where it would replace a WR interloper, an 8750 class pannier tank, a symbol of the enforced co-ordination of BR SR and WR operations in North and West Cornwall. CLPG volunteers had given D2290 a special clean and polish prior to departure. D2290’s older replacement as Cant Cove and Penmayne yard pilot, D2246, freshly overhauled and repainted in BR Green with the new Wasp Stripes, had already arrived at Cant Cove where it would assist the station pilot, CLPG preserved Z Class tank No. 30956, withdrawn the previous year by the WR from Exmouth Junction and fresh from a heavy general overhaul, at the SR’s Eastleigh Works. Should the weather turn colder, the Z’s steam heating capability would come in handy keeping passengers warm. Unfortunately, the newly GWS (Bodmin) preserved 94xx, 8485 (83E), was still at Swindon Works being overhauled but, Bill reflected, arrangements were already in hand to borrow another, older 94xx, as required for banking the increasingly heavy goods trains up the Castle branch.

Two very enjoyable Sundays had now been passed at Trepol Bay with the very pleasant prospect of many more to come. Now, the Yardmaster smiled, his lunchbox not only contained his long accustomed frugal homemade meat paste sandwiches but unaccustomed luxury in the very welcome form of a slice of freshly baked Victoria strawberry jam sponge cake he had been given in a sturdy cake tin on departure for Wadebridge that Sunday. ‘Dear Lord, thank you. My life is good despite the recent unexpected expenses’, Bill Truscott reflected. A blare of D2290’s horn, announcing its departure, awoke the Yardmaster from his sun-warmed reverie.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5815 on: April 03, 2019, 11:52:35 AM »
Photos. of one post-Artic Winter train have yet to be shown. One of the recently preserved and fully overhauled ex-BR WR 4575 Class small Prairies was used on a scratch combined passenger and express goods train from Trepol Bay to Penmayne. It is formed of a scratch set of serviceable coaches, a BR SR BR Crimson & Cream Bulleid SK plus a BR WR Chocolate & Cream BR Standard BCK with a tail load ex-South Devon.









One of Wadebridge's SWB Toad B guard's vans was added at Wadebridge to replace a defective BR Standard one.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5816 on: April 03, 2019, 09:46:19 PM »
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
   Thanks Chris & glad to know all is well in Wadebridge  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek,

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5817 on: April 04, 2019, 09:09:46 PM »
:hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
   Thanks Chris & glad to know all is well in Wadebridge  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek,

Thanks, Derek. After a long pause. Plenty of new photos. are coming!

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5818 on: April 04, 2019, 09:22:32 PM »
With the Easter holiday period fast approaching, as previously mentioned, the Wadebridge Yardmaster had organised with his shedmaster colleagues, the return of the trusty Drewry diesel-mechanical shunter, D2290 in plain BR green livery and on loan from Eastleigh (71A), back to Trepol Bay, now that D2290’s older but full-time replacement as Cant Cove and Penmayne yard pilot, D2246, freshly overhauled and repainted in BR Green with the new Wasp Stripes, had already arrived at Cant Cove where it would assist the station pilot, CLPG preserved Z Class tank No. 30956, withdrawn the previous year by the WR from Exmouth Junction and fresh from a heavy general overhaul, at the SR’s Eastleigh Works.



Here we see, right, D2290 departing for Wadebridge with a short train of two freshly repainted and loaded 'GRAMPUS' ballast wagons and a Wadebridge 'Toad B' SWB guard's van, whilst, left, D2246, shunts an empty loco. coal wagon in the loco. shed siding.

A close-up of D2290 and its train. The Drewry had been specially cleaned and polished by CLPG (Cant Cove) volunteers prior to its return. Even the guard's van bufferbeamss have been freshly painted in red. (A Cant Cove tradition.)



A close-up of D2246 and its similarly ex-works BR Standard 16T steel mineral wagon.



More close-ups of D2290 and its two 'GRAMPUS' ballast wagons.



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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #5819 on: April 05, 2019, 08:52:16 AM »
Thank you for those photographs.
Those little shunters are indeed attractive locomotives.
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