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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2013, 03:08:18 PM »
I am modelling Bournemouth in the era mid-50s to early 60s and looking through some of the colour reference books I have, it wasn't uncommon to have a mix of BR(SR) Green and Blood& Custards together in a rake, although the greens were more commonly old Bullied stock which hadn't received B&C mixed in with BR Mk1s in B&C.

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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2013, 03:15:21 PM »
There truly is a prototype for everything!

"NOT A LOT OF GREEN IN THIS TRAIN!

This is an item from the SRC&W Society Notes from July 1965:-

'the most remarkable train seen on the SR for some time was in use on the 12:00 Waterloo to Exeter in July: BSK E26595M
SK W792W
SK W3911M
SKs M27263M
NE1573E
NE25445
SC24293
CK W15104
SK W784W
BSK M34085.'

By the way the motive power was not recorded.

Glen Woods
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W792W was a gangwayed third to diagram C.82 lot 1691 completed 12 Jun 1948, or so sez this book on the coaches of the GWR what I just happened to come across.

Also according to this tome, by one M Harris, Esq., it sez that 3911 was a Main Line and City non-corridor third (diagram C.37, lot 1274, completed June 1921) which somewhat contradicts what you have said above. Maybe something got renumbered in the meantime.

John Sullivan


I can't answer for the ex-LNER vehicle, but I reckon the ancestry of the rest was as follows....

BTK   E26595M LMS Derby-built 'Period III' 57' Corridor Brake Third, Lot 1448, Diagram 2123, #26546-#26665, built 1948-9.
SK   W792W GWR Swindon-built 'Hawksworth' 64' Corridor Third, Lot 1691, Diagram C.82,# 781-#832,  last of Lot delivered by June 1948.
SK   W3911M LMS Wolverton-built 'Period III' 60' Corridor Composite (presumably later downgraded to all-Third), Lot 729, Diagram 1898, #3899-#3933, built 1934.
TO   M27263M LMS Wolverton-built 'Period III' 57' Open Third, Lot 1402, Diagram 1999, #27250-#27349, built 1947.
SK   NE1573E LNER Pre-Nationalisation design (& build?)
SK   NE25445 BR Mk. 1 Wolverton-built Corridor Third, Lot 30350, #M25403-#M25454.
SK   Sc24293 BR Mk. 1 York-built Corridor Third, Lot 30026, #Sc24280-#Sc24299.
CK   W15104 BR Mk. 1 Metro-Cammell -built Corridor Composite, Lot 30005, #W15100-#W15131.
SK   W784W GWR Swindon-built 'Hawksworth' 64' Corridor Third, Lot 1691, Diagram C.82,# 781-#832, last of Lot delivered by June 1948.  One of the very first
coaches to be experimentally interior panelled in  'Formica' (Duckegg Blue & Iron Grey) to offset post-war wood veneer shortages)
BSK   M34085 BR Mk. 1 Derby-built Corridor Brake Third, Lot 30003, #M34011-#34094.

Mike South


Michael Harris book "LNER Coaches" shows 1573 to be a York built 1949 Vestibuled Third (or SK in post 1956 speak!), built to diagram 329, order 1220, with seven compartments seating 42.

Tony Walmsley"

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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2013, 05:26:15 PM »
Here's one for you Paul....

http://www.hondawanderer.com/43170_Coates_1987.jpg

Nurse! Paul needs his paradox pills.  :laugh: :laugh:


And for those who worry about running mixed rakes or full length HST's

http://www.hondawanderer.com/43163_43040_Compton_Beauchamp.jpg   :D


Some great 43 action on that site thank you lots of b/g - exc  swallow mixing going on.
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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2013, 07:14:40 PM »
I recall seeing a very mixed lot in early BR days

Maunsell 3 set in the short lived Plum and Spilt Milk at the front followed by a Maunsell 2 set in Maunsell olive and a Bulleid 3 set in blood & Custard
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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2013, 07:35:34 PM »
I recall seeing a very mixed lot in early BR days

Maunsell 3 set in the short lived Plum and Spilt Milk at the front followed by a Maunsell 2 set in Maunsell olive and a Bulleid 3 set in blood & Custard

Yes, Mike, truly if one looks hard enough there is (almost) always a prototype for everything!

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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2013, 07:45:56 PM »
Whilst these are all in BR Blue and Grey livery it just shows how pre-Natationalisation carriages lasted a long time (from the excellent BRCoachingStock group):

"A couple more up today:

 

Ex-GCR 'Barnum' in BR days:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/9980190715/#

 

LMS-design SLF in blue/grey - note the all-capitals lettering:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/9980261866/#

 

Robert C



---In brcoachingstock@yahoogroups.com, <BRcoachingstock@aol.com> wrote:

A few more:

Track recording coach DW139:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/9724326198/#

Hawksworth full brake in later life:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/9721096627/#

Mark IId second - note it has 'SO' on the end not 'TSO':
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/9721096661/#

Robert C"

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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2013, 11:31:54 AM »
Pregroup stock lasted into the 60s and in departmental use much longer. It would have been common into the 60s in some locations.

There was then a concerted attempt to switch over to the BR built mark 1 and to DMU stock and only a few grouping and earlier passenger vehicles hung on - Hawksworth sleepers scraped blue as did a tiny number of staniers  and a few Gresley buffets made the mid 70s.

Parcels stuff lasted longer.

Some pregroup types proved extremely well built - LSWR ironclad stock remained in departmental use a very long time for example.
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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2013, 01:00:46 PM »
If mixed rakes are your thing, run a railtour - you can guarantee pretty much every time the coaches will be different liveries.







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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2013, 04:24:26 PM »
Thanks peeps.

I just something you never see either at shows. And looking at your replies its more common than I 1st thought.

Just waiting for Dapol to release another batch of Virgin HST mk3's.
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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2013, 04:41:51 PM »
Thanks peeps.

I just something you never see either at shows. And looking at your replies its more common than I 1st thought.

Just waiting for Dapol to release another batch of Virgin HST mk3's.


Are there really any virgin HSTs after all these years, or are they just telling fibs?   :P

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Re: miss match coach liveries
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2013, 05:45:42 PM »
Thanks peeps.

I just something you never see either at shows. And looking at your replies its more common than I 1st thought.

Just waiting for Dapol to release another batch of Virgin HST mk3's.


Are there really any virgin HSTs after all these years, or are they just telling fibs?   :P

Hens teeth comes to mind lol

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