New bogies a possibility or just a dumb question?

[petercharlesfagg]

Friends,

We are all aware of the possibility of purchasing a pig in a poke when buying S/H rolling stock?

I have just done this!

One early GF Pullman carriage (Dark roof) where the axles are so slack in their boxes that if you give it a good shake (not too violently!) one or two of the axles actually drop out!  The rest of the carriage looks in good nick and the Gold striping is very clear, I am surmising that possibly it has been used on an exhibition train and possibly covered a few scale thousand miles?

Is it a possibility to purchase new bogies?

Regards Peter.

[Dr Al]

Are the bogie sides bowed outwards?

If so, remove the wheelsets and bend them back in a bit. Should cure your problem.

Cheers,
Alan

[petercharlesfagg]

Are the bogie sides bowed outwards?

If so, remove the wheelsets and bend them back in a bit. Should cure your problem.

Cheers,
Alan

Alan,

No quite the opposite!

Two of the axles are reasonably tight in their boxes, by that I mean, to get them out takes a reasonable amount of bending of the bogie sides.  Slop is evident but not excessive, IMO.

Regards Peter.

[EtchedPixels]

Are the wheels the originals or replacements eg all plastic peco ones ?

Alan

[bluedepot]

try peters spares or br lines, they may have spare bogie frames...


tim

[MJKERR]

I assume these are the earlier silver Farish wheels
One of the first things I do is replace these with the later Bachman Blackened Wheels 379-412
I usually purchase packs in multiples of two (5 coaches)
These are a much tighter fit, especially in the B4 bogies as I have to widen the bogie frame slightly

This suggests the previous owner had fitted blackened wheels and has refitted the older Farish wheels, as a result they fall out very easily

[Dr Al]

One of the first things I do is replace these with the later Bachman Blackened Wheels 379-412
I usually purchase packs in multiples of two (5 coaches)
These are a much tighter fit, especially in the B4 bogies as I have to widen the bogie frame slightly

Not in my experience - they are a straight swap with no axle length differences. I've converted a pullman set and didn't experience what you describe....

Regards,
Alan

[petercharlesfagg]

Are the wheels the originals or replacements eg all plastic peco ones ?

Alan

Alan,
Thankyou I assume that they are the original wheel sets with nice Silver edges.

I am hoping that I can keep them because they set off the Pullman colour scheme rather nicely!

Regards Peter.

[petercharlesfagg]

I assume these are the earlier silver Farish wheels
One of the first things I do is replace these with the later Bachman Blackened Wheels 379-412
I usually purchase packs in multiples of two (5 coaches)
These are a much tighter fit, especially in the B4 bogies as I have to widen the bogie frame slightly

This suggests the previous owner had fitted blackened wheels and has refitted the older Farish wheels, as a result they fall out very easily

Thankyou,

Do you suggest some Silver paint afterwards to pick out the detail, it is rather important!

Regards Peter.

[Dr Al]

No quite the opposite!

Two of the axles are reasonably tight in their boxes, by that I mean, to get them out takes a reasonable amount of bending of the bogie sides.  Slop is evident but not excessive, IMO.

Sounds slightly odd.

The usual reason for this is that the coach has been leant on in some way which pushes the wheels too far into the bogie. This bends its sides out. If left for a while the bogie will remain bent so that when the wheelsets are re-inserted correctly they'll be loose.

This is why I suggested checking and bending the bogie sides in a touch. Even if they are straight, bending them in a fraction will cure loose wheels and bending them out will cure tight wheels.

Worth a try as it's free, before spending money on bogies...

Cheers,
Alan

[EtchedPixels]

Do you suggest some Silver paint afterwards to pick out the detail, it is rather important!

Regards Peter.

Pullman wheels would have been black or dirt coloured. ex Works they may have had white rims but not silver. Adding white rims can certainly make a coach or loco stand out.