Small Steam Locos

[Bad Raven]

I wrote this post the other day but it didn't appear for some reason!

I like small tank Locos, a type really ideally suitable for N Gauge....      

Quickly exhausting the available RTF locos on the early 80's, which to be in the remotest sense usable on an LMS/BR LMR layout meant avoiding GWR (and why wouldn't you?    ), I cast the net around, and it almost came up empty.

I'd cornered the market in Minitrix Fowler Dock Tanks (having more in model form than were ever made for real!!  ), and in GraFar GP tanks.

Found the L&Y 0-6-0T Saddle kit, built two.

Midland 0-6-4T "Flatiron", Fowler 2-6-4T, built but neither really fitting the "small" description.

Then.............Errr...............   

Time passed    , a period with no active railway modelling    and then back after more than 25 YEARS.........and.................... Not a lot has changed.   :'(

GF "Jinty",  what else, as I'm struggling??

SO, I built a North London Tank from a Fleichmann 2-6-4T chassis and parts of a Shredded Wheat body.

I built a Midland "Deeley" 0-4-0T from a Fleichmann chassis with a heavily cut, shut and modded german body.

I'm part way though building an ex-LNWR "Bissel" 0-4-2T as a very heavy mod from a GraFar 57xx.

I bought an M7 to attempt a Midland 0-4-4T variant, as yet unstarted.

I bought a 14xx to do "something", ANYTHING!!, maybe a North Staffs 0-4-4T.

Along the way I have done the UM 0-6-0 tender route and the "big loco" Patriot/Scot/Black 5 variants, etc, but it's the small tanks that attract and the itch is undiminished and the want unfulfilled.

What I REALLY REALLY want is some Midland 0-4-4Ts, several ex L&Y 2-4-2T's, long and short bunker, belpaire and round. Can't work out a way I could do the 2-4-2s though. Don't have the time or patience for complete scratch building!

Are you a small loco fan?  What have YOU built? 

[Sprintex]

No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??

Don't get much smaller than that


Paul

[Bad Raven]

No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??

Don't get much smaller than that


Paul

Well that's because I could not see how it could be converted into anything LMS period or even BR LMS based, as per my first post !!

(though I very nearly bought the "Brighton Works" livery version as I had footplated it while still in service)

[Paul B]

I model mostly LNER/early BR from the East Anglia region, but I just had to get a Terrier as they are such lovely little locos! I got mine in BR early crest - and my 'excuse' is that BR loco's didn't always stick to their original region. (Just like my BR 'blood and custard' ex-GWR diesel railcar! )  However, I also use rule 1 - it is my railway and I will run what I like!

[Sprintex]

No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??

Don't get much smaller than that


Paul

Well that's because I could not see how it could be converted into anything LMS period or even BR LMS based, as per my first post !!

(though I very nearly bought the "Brighton Works" livery version as I had footplated it while still in service)

Ah sorry, no idea about what ran where and when, just came to mind as a small loco 


Paul

[dodger]

I once thought using a Grafar GP tank body to make a LMS 0-4-4T (4190X series). Came a bit stuck with the chassis though, only got as far as using a Grafar chassis block with a Standard 2-6-4T bogie.

Then came the Dapol M7's and the project died.

Dodger

[Jerry Howlett]

I only have two of the really small beasties.

The Dapol 14xx couldn't resist it when I saw it on a stand the month it came out even if I didn't have a layout in mind at the time. Shame that it struggles to drag an auto trailer up the 1 in 52 gradient on the llayout that I am building.

Going up a notch the good old Pannier tanks are a must, Damn you Dapol for bringing out the latest model when my farish one hasn't even been run in then of course the Jinty.  Then there are the J94 / Austerities .

The minitrix "dock tank" despite looking as much like a creature from Mars as a real loco can happily run up said gradient with 40 + wagons behind it.

Dapol Terrier and the M7 would be on my wish list as well.

[Bad Raven]

The minitrix "dock tank" despite looking as much like a creature from Mars as a real loco can happily run up said gradient with 40 + wagons behind it.

Yes, well, I can only partially agree there, as the BODY is a pretty good likeness to the 2F Fowler "Standard" Dock Tank on which it is based:-

http://www.railuk.info/gallery/notes/getimage.php?id=333

The CHASSIS used, however, is wrong in every respect bar the number of wheels!! 

I bought some Langley frets for the L&Y steam Railmotor valve gear to dress mine up a bit. 

There was a Peco kit yonks ago of the 2F tank, and the long unobtainable chassis for that was even worse!!

As you say, its haulage capacity and track grip is IMO a saving grace, and once dirtied up, it can really look the part.

It was the loco that got me into N Gauge and ten years research of Fleetwood , Lancashire, where some of the only ten made were based, so I can't be too hard on it!!

[moogle]

No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??

Don't get much smaller than that


Paul

Well that's because I could not see how it could be converted into anything LMS period or even BR LMS based, as per my first post !!

(though I very nearly bought the "Brighton Works" livery version as I had footplated it while still in service)

Dapol Terrier chassis apparently fits under the old Graham Farish Holden Tank body with a little bit of work.
They were LMS weren't they? The body may not be brimming with detail but its better than nowt!

[Alex]

Hi,

Been working on a Barclay 0-6-0T for a few years now. There's a photo of it in this months N Gauge Journal, bottom of page 75.

If I get it right I'm going to have 2-3 of them for my WPR layout.

Alex

[Jerry Howlett]

Dapol Terrier chassis apparently fits under the old Graham Farish Holden Tank body with a little bit of work.
They were LMS weren't they? The body may not be brimming with detail but its better than nowt!

LMS !!!!!!

Holden would be spinning in his grave.

He was a GREAT EASTERN man.... Bl***y northernern residents know nowt !

[glenng]

My list of small steam engines not many 

3- Jinty's (BR, LMS, LNER)
3- J94's (NCB, BR early crest, Robert)
1- 14XX BR early crest
1- GWR 94XX Pannier tank
3-Terrier's (Stepney, Crowborough, Martello)
1-M7 BR Lined black
1-14XX BR early crest
1- 45XX slope tank BR early crest
1- 4mt BR Black

I just love the little engines as without them in the coal mines, collieries and other industrial sites and rural sleepy back waters of the UK where would we be???

(Want more different ones if anyone knows of some and were to get them?)

[moogle]

Dapol Terrier chassis apparently fits under the old Graham Farish Holden Tank body with a little bit of work.
They were LMS weren't they? The body may not be brimming with detail but its better than nowt!

LMS !!!!!!

Holden would be spinning in his grave.

He was a GREAT EASTERN man.... Bl***y northernern residents know nowt !

I meant they came under LMS at the Grouping.
I know darn well they were G.E.R in glorious Ultramarine blue!

BTW I am a southener, Thames Estuary born and bred. I just live up north. 

[Bad Raven]

Err, no, not LMS at any point, the GE became LNER........

"The LNER was formed out of a number of constituent railway companies, the principal of which were:

    Great Eastern Railway
    Great Central Railway
    Great Northern Railway
    Great North of Scotland Railway
    Hull and Barnsley Railway
    North British Railway
    North Eastern Railway"

Its good to know the Terrier fits that body though, so well done to mention it!!   

[moogle]

Err, no, not LMS at any point, the GE became LNER........

"The LNER was formed out of a number of constituent railway companies, the principal of which were:

    Great Eastern Railway
    Great Central Railway
    Great Northern Railway
    Great North of Scotland Railway
    Hull and Barnsley Railway
    North British Railway
    North Eastern Railway"

Of course it is! Wrong side of the country.
My brains obviously not working today... 

Its good to know the Terrier fits that body though, so well done to mention it!!   

No problem. 
I'm sure there must be something LMSish that would fit the terrier chassis out there.
Though its probably a class that was in single numbers, i.e. one!