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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2013, 08:04:07 PM »
Hi John,

Works much better - just needed the Softener filter and a slight adjustment to the contrast.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2013, 08:18:05 PM »
Always start with the basics Paddy, saves you loads of time and effort most of the time  ;)

I'm pleased you have managed to get sorted out  :thumbsup:

cheers John.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2013, 08:35:20 PM »
Always start with the basics Paddy, saves you loads of time and effort most of the time  ;)

I'm pleased you have managed to get sorted out  :thumbsup:

cheers John.

Absolutely, and good advice John.  I would always advise the same but I got "flustered" as graphics are not my thing!  :confused1:

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2013, 08:08:38 AM »
TARTAN ARROW TRAINS - NEED ADVICE...

As some of you will know I have been trying to assemble information about the Tartan Arrow trains that ran in the 1960/70s.  I have found out that the trains were made up of two parts, the first being a number of container flats followed by the familiar CCT vans.

HOLLERTON JUNCTION is not big enough to accommodate a full length train but I can represent the Tartan Arrow with a couple of container flats and half a dozen CCTs.

So why do I need advice?  Well, the container flats (I have one so far) are the Graham Farish models with two 30' containers in Freightliner livery.  The idea is to spray the sides and one end in white whilst retaining the printed details on the door and roof.  Basically I end up with an all white container.

Next, I will need to create custom Tartan Arrow decals for the sides and I have never done this before.  Searching the web I came across the decal paper from:

http://www.craftycomputerpaper.co.uk/default.aspx

Does anyone have experience of their products?  Are they good?  Also, as the containers have ribbed sides do I need the dry rub on decal paper or the water slide?  I have also heard of DecalSol, DecalFix etc. - do I need these as well?  Finally, what about varnish after the decals have been applied?

As always, thank you for your help.

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2013, 03:52:56 PM »
Ive used Crafty and have mixed results with an inkjet. Originally all was super and then I started getting patchy printing I am putting this down to a duff batch of paper (as my ink-jet prints fine on glossy ink-jet paper). The paper comes with  instructions which are easy to follow. You must make sure to seal the ink first before putting it in water. The transfers can take a while to dry after being applied and I've had a couple peel off where they have not dried out properly - so probably best to give them a coat of clear paint afterwards.

The 'white paper' is good but you need to cut round the decal accurately. The 'Clear' paper alleviates the need for accurate cutting but whites just come out as transparent and the brighter colours do not come out very well.

I have not used the paper for locos only for station signs, building signs etc. The signs are pretty tiny though.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2013, 04:41:26 PM »
I've used the laser version and had problems with the toner not sticking to the paper. With a bit of help from crafty I got it to sort of work. The paper goes off quite rapidly it seems and wasn't very fond of Dell toner.

Never tried wrapping it around ridged surfaces with decal solvent and I'd be a bit concerned as to whether it would soften and fit or turn into a nasty mess. I guess you just have to experiment and let us all know  :D

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2013, 06:19:12 PM »
Thanks both, does not sound like it would be very successful.  Anyone got any other ideas?  I tried emailing Adam at Electra Railway Graphics but got no response.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2013, 07:02:50 PM »
Vinyl definitely wont wrap.. way to thick.
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2013, 07:09:23 PM »
Vinyl definitely wont wrap.. way to thick.


Also tried emailing Robbie at Robbie's Rolling Stock but not sure if he is still going?  His web site was last updated in October 2011 - assuming this is his current site...

http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2013, 07:41:09 PM »
I've just sent an email to Crafty about the issues I've been having - will let you know what they say. It seems that the ink is not adhering to the paper.
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2013, 07:53:17 PM »
I've just sent an email to Crafty about the issues I've been having - will let you know what they say. It seems that the ink is not adhering to the paper.

Thanks Pengi - look forward to hearing how you get on.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2013, 01:21:57 PM »
TARTAN ARROW TRAINS - THE STORY CONTINUES...

Got a response from the NRM regarding the TARTAN ARROW trains from the 1960s.  Sadly it would seem that without extensive searching they have little further info.  Indeed, the kind lady at the NRM sent me two photos of the Tri-Ang Hornby OO container that they have on display.

The Tr-Ang container livery seems to be somewhat simplified from the real world B&W (making livery colours hard to match) photos I have been able to obtain.  The OO container is painted all over white (including the roof) and on to this Tri-Ang have "stuck" on a smooth side with the "familiar" TARTAN ARROW branding.  The side graphic fits within the borders of the container i.e. there is a white edge all the way around.

The B&W photos would seem to indicate that this livery is not totally correct.  There is no white border around the side branding.  The livery seems to be:

Sides
  • Bottom: Red approximately half way up containing the text "Express Parcel Service   England-Scotland"
  • Top: White/light cream of remaining half with the text "TARTAN ARROW" (TARTAN in red, ARROW in black)
  • The smooth sided container has no TARTAN ARROW "arrow" graphic on the side
  • No photos showing running numbers on the sides - could be on the end?
Roof
  • The real TARTAN ARROW container is a different shape from the Tri-Ang one as it has a curved roof
  • Roof colour is dark grey and extends down the side probably about 6 inches
Non-Door End
  • As per the side the bottom half is red, the top half white/cream
  • The top has TARTAN ARROW painted on it (smaller font, higher up)
  • There is also a graphic roundel underneath which has a segmented arrow containing "TARTAN ARROW SERVICE"
Door End
  • I have not been able to find any photos of the container doors - no idea what they looked like
  • Probably would be half red/white as per the other sides but I cannot confirm this
My plans is to reproduce the TARTAN ARROW containers using the Graham Farish bogie container wagon with two 30' containers.

http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/373450A_1.JPG

Copying the Tri-Ang version would be quite simple as all that would be needed is to paint the non-door end and the sides white.  Art work can then be created and stuck on - simples.  I could go one step further and paint the roof dark grey as well.  The door ends of the containers will be left unpainted as they have some fine printing that is worth retaining.

As the 30' container is not a direct match for the TARTAN ARROW this will only create a model that has the "feel" of the original.

Thoughts?

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #72 on: April 09, 2013, 01:00:02 PM »
MORE BREWERY WAGONS

The latest additions to the HOLLERTON JUNCTION stock list are the following DAPOL wagons:



The pre-installed coal loads were removed last night and will be replaced with barrels of beer at the weekend.  Thanks to Les on the Yahoo N Gauge group for his advice on how to do this.  Whilst the coal loads are not glued in they are firmly inserted and require quite a bit of force to get them out.
 :beers:

Many thanks

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #73 on: April 09, 2013, 01:40:19 PM »
TARTAN ARROW TRAINS - THE STORY CONTINUES...

Last night I removed one of the 30' containers from the Graham Farish bogie wagon.  Given the bright Freightliner livery I thought it would need to be primed and then sprayed white.  Using a fibre glass pencil I removed the black printing from the sides and roof (leaving the door detail in tact) and primed the container (Humbrol Number 1).  There was a tiny amount of leakage on to the frame of one of the doors but this can be easily touched up with a spot of Humbrol Matt White.

Once again, thanks to advice from people on this forum and the Yahoo group I created the following artwork in Word and printed it out for a test fit.  The black outline would be removed before printing the real replacement sides.



Note: the above is a graphic and is nowhere near the quality of the printed sides.

The sides were then cut out and test fitted on an original Freightliner container and I have to say it looks good.  The surprising thing is that the livery underneath does not show through.  So it would seem that there is no need to prime/paint the containers prior to fitting the sides.  The only painting required is to the roof which needs to be dark grey.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #74 on: April 09, 2013, 03:41:57 PM »
Nice solution to the problem, Paddy. Well done :thumbsup:

 

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