Another NEW Class 17 !!!!

[Bob G]

At least I said I was wrong to say Farish.
This thread is now boring me, IMHO (see what I did there) because it is attracting the wrong sort of interest than what my OP anticipated.

Bob

[Richard @ N'Tastic Scale Models]

Why dont I just keep my gob shut rather than let others correct me. I dont want to be corrected every other post I make on this forum.

For Farish read the Bachmann family. I know all about why EFE Rail is being used as a brand. In fact I was one of the first to explain it.
And why would the factory put Kernow on the Chassis if Kernow had not taken ownership of the dies?

We are all entitled to opinions but please don't use IMHO like you really know better.

My understanding is that Kernow are highly unlikely to have taken ownership of the tooling but have done a deal with the factory to facilitate getting the product to market. The factory had no name to use, EFE Rail are not commissioners of product and DJM is a spoilt brand. So something had to go on the bottom, Kernow reviewed the models and has others of its own at the factory and is known in UK market. So a deal was done that Kernow would lend its name to the factory, help with design and marketing. Production cost and distribution at scale was still and issue so a deal was done with Bachmann Europe which formed EFE Rail. If Kernow had loads of cash to invest some of their other OO models would be moving along alot faster.

You are of course entitled to your opinion as am I but I feel some of your comments were factually wrong and I could pass on my opinion based on some insight.

[Bob G]

Richard
Thanks for your detailed explanation.
I appreciate your straightforward objective and honest response too.
Best regards
Bob

[Roy L S]

OK I was incorrect to say Farish when I should have said Bachmann/EFE Rail. And that's fully understood.

But what's wrong with opinion or a personal viewpoint? Is it any better or worse than your opinion. Why is yours any better?

I've helped more people on the NGS helpline than anyone has helped on here just by correcting other people's posts and pointing out they are wrong. That's just one-upmanship. Pure and simple.

This is supposed to be a friendly forum.
My post was just a throwaway comment that every man and his wife seemed to have a hand in the production of the Clayton.
But oh no.
Lets not dwell on that thought when we can make the thread run and run correcting a sentence and stating another opinion as fact.

Hi Bob

Firstly to say I meant no offence by anything I said, but nothing in my response was opinion, or an attempt at "one upmanship" as you put it, it was all factual in that: -

1) It is EFE Rail not Farish marketing the Class 17 and Farish had no part in design, this came from the horse's mouth at the EFE launch - it is fact.

2) Up to now there has been much speculation from design similarities that the EFE model came from the same factory as Dapol, it may be true, but nobody who would be privy to that knowledge has so far confirmed it - that too is a fact.

3) We know of Kernow's involvement and branding on the models but we do not know who owns the tooling nor do we know how the relationship between the parties works financially or indeed commercially (That is Kernow and EFE Rail/Bachmann Industries Europe PLC) - this too is a fact, and we probably never will.

I have not used "IMHO" in any of my comments in this topic.

I have absolutely no wish to inflame matters further but, I do wish to put the record straight.

Regards

Roy

[Ben A]

Hello all,

I have found this thread interesting, and it does shine a light onto the somewhat arcane provenance of the model, so thanks for starting it @Bob G

One further point:  My understanding is that Dapol use more than one factory in China, so while the factory involved in the EFE Rail Clayton may well also produce models for Dapol, it is a misnomer to describe is as *the* Dapol factory.

It is also the case that factories subcontract out some work, depending on need, and if contractors who've also done work for Dapol were hired that could've had an impact on final design of the Clayton.

Cheers

Ben A.