Smoking in the Train Room

[Zogbert Splod]

Have had some advice, by one of her work colleagues, as to which one to buy but got confused. Sure they'll help in the shop but any advice appreciated.

When I got my first one I bought it through the net.  We didn't have a local vapery shop.  We do have one now and I get all of my supplies there.  It would be cheaper to buy on line but I do like to support local traders as far as it goes while not getting too silly.  On one occasion, while in there, I was able to assist the guy behind the counter with a question which was being asked by a particularly stroppy customer.  After the gobby guy had left I got chatting with the assistant who turned out to be the owner and, to keep the story short, he gave me a box of 'non working ecigs'.  Turned out there were 9 in there.  Problems ranged from shattered displays through to simple failed solder joints.  So far, I have built four working units and there are 2 more that I know I can make work as and when I get round to it.
There are scores of companies building these things but from my limited experience I have found the Itaste MVP range to be excellent as power supplies go but I prefer the Kanger range of tanks.  The Kanger AeroTank being my tank of choice.
Now, these items are not cheap.  It is, however, very possible to get underway with one of the many starter packs available.  These come with a much smaller battery which needs charging quite often, so, consider the dual starter packs which are readily available also (one in use, one on charge).  In all things vaping, steer clear of 'no name' stuff - it's probably a clone and sooner or later it WILL fail.  Cloned/copied battery packs will often fail after just a few days or weeks and can even cause more serious problems.
So, to boil it down, stick with the known brands and you should be just fine.....

DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME (or anywhere else either!)

https://youtu.be/cill_IbtXiw
Watch the vid then consider this: I generally vape at 6.5 to 7 watts...

[N-Gauge-US]

Have had some advice, by one of her work colleagues, as to which one to buy but got confused. Sure they'll help in the shop but any advice appreciated.

When I got my first one I bought it through the net.  We didn't have a local vapery shop.  We do have one now and I get all of my supplies there.  It would be cheaper to buy on line but I do like to support local traders as far as it goes while not getting too silly.  On one occasion, while in there, I was able to assist the guy behind the counter with a question which was being asked by a particularly stroppy customer.  After the gobby guy had left I got chatting with the assistant who turned out to be the owner and, to keep the story short, he gave me a box of 'non working ecigs'.  Turned out there were 9 in there.  Problems ranged from shattered displays through to simple failed solder joints.  So far, I have built four working units and there are 2 more that I know I can make work as and when I get round to it.
There are scores of companies building these things but from my limited experience I have found the Itaste MVP range to be excellent as power supplies go but I prefer the Kanger range of tanks.  The Kanger AeroTank being my tank of choice.
Now, these items are not cheap.  It is, however, very possible to get underway with one of the many starter packs available.  These come with a much smaller battery which needs charging quite often, so, consider the dual starter packs which are readily available also (one in use, one on charge).  In all things vaping, steer clear of 'no name' stuff - it's probably a clone and sooner or later it WILL fail.  Cloned/copied battery packs will often fail after just a few days or weeks and can even cause more serious problems.
So, to boil it down, stick with the known brands and you should be just fine.....

DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME (or anywhere else either!)

https://youtu.be/cill_IbtXiw

One of my friends also uses the nicer Kanger tanks and thinks very highly of them. In general it is cheaper to buy online, but you should go in a shop where they specialize in them first and talk to the people working there. Most shops will walk you through getting started and give you some dos and don'ts. Most shops in the US will let you test them too (using a disposable mouthpiece), which I highly recommend.

[Railwaygun]

Seuthe smoke generators

None of them look suitable for an N gauge loco?

[Newportnobby]

Seuthe smoke generators

None of them look suitable for an N gauge loco?

I don't believe they are suitable for N gauge locos, but Caz has put them to brilliant use on her layout to create smoke billowing from tunnel mouths after a steamer has passed through.

[N-Gauge-US]

@Caz making us all look bad again with her excellent skills! Plus she lives in one of my favorite towns on Earth! 

Seuthe smoke generators

None of them look suitable for an N gauge loco?

I don't believe they are suitable for N gauge locos, but Caz has put them to brilliant use on her layout to create smoke billowing from tunnel mouths after a steamer has passed through.

[Caz]

Thanks for the compliment, here´s the effect for those that haven´t seen it. 


http://youtu.be/GseHwh30jnY

[weave]

Know off topic really but thank you Zogbert Splod and N gauge US for mentioning Kanger.

I met SWMBO's work colleague at her 'work's do' , booze etc so confusion meant lack of memory.

But I remember now he mentioned Kanger and said how good it is.

Unfortunately I had so many other chores to do today (honestly) I didn't have time to go to the recommended shop but WILL on Tuesday, defo, promise.

Cheers guys, Happy Christmas.

[N-Gauge-US]

Know off topic really but thank you Zogbert Splod and N gauge US for mentioning Kanger.

I met SWMBO's work colleague at her 'work's do' , booze etc so confusion meant lack of memory.

But I remember now he mentioned Kanger and said how good it is.

Unfortunately I had so many other chores to do today (honestly) I didn't have time to go to the recommended shop but WILL on Tuesday, defo, promise.

Cheers guys, Happy Christmas.

Kanger make a range of tanks. Some are "disposable" and are a bit of a pain but an easy way to start. The nicer tanks are in the 15-45$ in the US, so I would guess 10-30£, but well worth it when you get the one you like

[Railwaygun]

The EU is going to regulate Vaping sales due to health hazards

https://cigelectric.co.uk/e-cig-uk-regulation-2016/

Caveat emptor!

[EtchedPixels]

The EU is going to regulate Vaping sales due to health hazards

https://cigelectric.co.uk/e-cig-uk-regulation-2016/

Caveat emptor!

And they already regulate smoking because it kills lots of people. The e-cig regulations are actually quite boring and mostly about making sure they aren't fire hazards, the plastic in them isn't unsafe and so on. It does limit nicotine levels without prescription.

@weave its worth noting that the medical evidence is that they are not as bad for you but still very bad compared with not smoking. I shall be blunt - my wife died of cancer, it's not very pleasant watching someone vomit up their own faeces and all the other unpleasant things that happen while dying of cancer so for the sake of SWMBO give it up - whether via vaping initially or the hard way and with whatever support you need - I am sure she doesn't deserve the alternative.

Alan

[Railwaygun]

eEcigs have delivered high doses of nicotine due to lack of regulation of strengths of Vaping solutions.

It is not carcinogenic in itself but can cause cardiac ( heart) Damage, as well as being addict I've.

It is marginally safer than fags due to the lack of the tarry by- products from tobacco combustion, and also lacks the CO content of the syymoke ( affects the coronary arteries and promotes atherogenesis ( blockage by cholesterol).

However the safety / pulmonary FX of the diluent and flavours is not known.

It's like suicide with smaller bullets!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco/nicotine-addictive

Nick R

[N-Gauge-US]

eEcigs have delivered high doses of nicotine due to lack of regulation of strengths of Vaping solutions.

It is not carcinogenic in itself but can cause cardiac ( heart) Damage, as well as being addict I've.

It is marginally safer than fags due to the lack of the tarry by- products from tobacco combustion, and also lacks the CO content of the syymoke ( affects the coronary arteries and promotes atherogenesis ( blockage by cholesterol).

However the safety / pulmonary FX of the diluent and flavours is not known.

It's like suicide with smaller bullets!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco/nicotine-addictive

Nick R

I think Alan may have just been suggesting that using ecigs as a path to quitting altogether is better than the potential long term consequences of not quitting at all, something he has had to witness recently and very personally, unfortunately. (My thoughts were with you this Christmas, Alan. I'm very sorry again about your wife.) I don't think he or anyone else on here has suggested or is under the illusion that ecigs are totally safe devices, but I think many of us are tempted to say that, as a smoking cessation aid, they are potentially worthwhile and at least marginally safer than the real thing. (Also, cessation rates using ecigs are very high, compared to other aids).

[EtchedPixels]

eEcigs have delivered high doses of nicotine due to lack of regulation of strengths of Vaping solutions.

The new EU laws limit it except on prescription (so for example the NHS could offer extra strong solutions as a helper for those quitting). That should help a chunk.

Alan

[MalcolmInN]

Should we first* define our Train Rooms as public or private space,
and are we talking consenting adults ?

*before we involve the EU which may or may not contravene conventions on political discussion ?

[EtchedPixels]

There's another reason not to smoke in a train room I should add - the value of nasty smelly second hand stock with cigarette browned surfaces is a lot lower