Deeley Tenders

[CarriageShed]

Hi Pete, I've got my eye in a bit now after a lot of internet searching. This is a  nice photo of a deely loco and presume original tender. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/mrsalt115.htm. That website is well worth a browse.

Hi Alyson. I'm afraid that one's a replacement Fowler tender. The Fowlers are flat (or mostly so, while the Deeleys have that top edge that arcs outwards with the small coal rails on top of it. More like this one:



and probably this one too:

I've also trawled through the online NRM technical drawing archive  http://www.nrm.org.uk/ResearchAndArchive/archiveandlibrarycollections/RailwayCoWorks.aspx and the photos of Derby works http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photogallery?group=Derby&keywords=photos%2c+derby. I've got a list of microfilm drawings to have a look at when I'm there. A digital copy is about £7 and a print about another fiver. I can contact you nearer the time to check exactly what you need.

That's very kind of you. The trouble is that I can't tell a Deeley tender from a Johnson tender (and possibly other, pre-Fowler tenders), so I can't really point to a specific photo and say 'that's Deeley'. At this stage I'm still familiarising myself with details like that, but it takes time. What I was hoping for was a railway book with a clearly marked Deeley tender, but no one seems to have anything like that or they would have mentioned it. I'm pretty sure that I won't be able to tell you which drawing at the NRM is right and which isn't.

Here is a print they have already made of a tender so that you can see the detail available in an engineering diagram http://www.nrm.org.uk/ResearchAndArchive/drawing?group=Derby&objid=D27-10935.
Hope that is of interest (and an introduction to some of the online archive available to those with other queries).

That's certainly more detail than an N Gauge kit producer could ever need! 

[alypar11]

Ha! Yes Pete,  I think an engineering drawing is more use to the 1:1 modellers.... I suspected that the lower tenders were probably the older type. I shall try to see if NRM have copies of books that might confirm the deeley tender type, or the original works photo's of the loco's in Grey from about the right period. Maybe that way we can confirm which of the microfilm drawings is correct. I can always just make a sketch of the relevant measurements and use the photos to confirm the profiles ready for 3D print CAD. Am enjoying this as Research/Investigation are my forte (and how I've earned my living).
have a good Christmas and will let you know what the new year outing to NRM brings.
Alyson

[CarriageShed]

The Deeley/Johnson type precede the Fowlers and Staniers, yep. They lasted longer on smaller railways such as the S&D, which is why I need them. Fowler pretty much made them redundant on the Midland with his replacement version. Have a great Christmas and I look forward to seeing where this takes us next year.

[alypar11]

This model has a good approximation of the characteristics of a Deeley tenderhttps://eastsidepilot.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/compound-4p-weatherd-002.jpg

[crewearpley40]

some interesting reading


http://www.steamindex.com/locotype/midland.htm

http://www.sdjr.net/sd_locomotives.html