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Title: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 03, 2018, 12:18:14 PM
The wood butchery begins
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: weave on February 03, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
Hi Dave,

You've probably posted before in planning etc. but haven't seen or can't remember. Can you expand please or give a back link.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: weave on February 03, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Hi again,

Sorry, just found your post in 'planning' so looking forward to the build.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on February 03, 2018, 01:15:31 PM
Nuts to the railway - what's the bike? ;)
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 03, 2018, 01:50:00 PM
Nuts to the railway - what's the bike? ;)
Yamaha 650 Dragstar...... 1987....... only comes out on nice days! All the rest of the garage clutter is my daughters pending house move - why don't they understand that railways must take priority
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 03, 2018, 02:01:56 PM
Hi again,

Sorry, just found your post in 'planning' so looking forward to the build.

Cheers weave  :beers:
The track plan has changed since the last thread and may change again once the boards are done...... I'll post once I've finally decided
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 08:16:13 PM
Donít rush.
Make sure that you are happy with your plan before laying track.
Personally, I find there is no substitute for laying pieces of actual track on the board to get a feeling for what it will look like.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 03, 2018, 08:47:57 PM
I agree Port Perran...... think I'm 80% there with Any Rail but there's no substitute for "on the board" fiddling before finalising. What is surprising me the most is the amount of space needed. Having spent my life modelling in 00 I have quickly realised you can't simply halve everything!
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 05, 2018, 09:47:27 PM
Wheels now installed on the sub board which will support the removable baseboards. First draft track plan printed - just for a quick look how things will fit. I will definitely need more width for the fiddle yard. Despite checking out some cleverly compacted yards at Stafford Show yesterday I still want to have room to breath.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 14, 2018, 06:46:40 PM
Slow progress (I'm not in Di's league). Having now complied with planning regulations by completing shelves above and below, the main baseboards are complete and sealed with varnish. Next stage is to add folding boards for the fiddle yard. As an aside, I have also taken delivery of a faller car system but at the moment the thought of "bashing" an expensive modern bus is daunting.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 17, 2018, 12:35:55 PM
 :helpneededsign:
With baseboard construction well underway for Charlport Junction it is time to turn my attention to finalising the track plan. The scenario is a ubiquitous GWR junction with double track mainline and single track branch and goods services (with inspiration taken from Charlbury, Halwill Junction and Cleobury Mortimer - you'll not spot much resemblance though).
As always, I expect to have to bend and stretch things a little but for now I would welcome your thoughts and comments on the track plan please (note: all roads L & R lead to fiddle yard behind backscene). Please feel free to comment on any glaring errors, wrong roads etc.etc. before I embark on sectionalising the thing for dc. You will see that the ES is shown in 2 optional places..... I fancy replacing one location with some kind of light industry e.g. agricultural engineers, dairy etc. so welcome comments on which to keep and which to change. Thanks.

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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2018, 01:03:37 PM
Looks pretty good to me although access from the Up (clockwise) oval to the ES and Goods yard is a little convoluted (note I am assuming the lower location of the ES will become a dairy or whatever type of industry you decide upon).
I could well be a bit dense this afternoon but what is 'CS' please?
If the 'C' stands for cattle then I'm really not sure they would be found adjacent to the ES :hmmm:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 17, 2018, 01:08:33 PM
Coaling stage?????

As for a dairy, the Express milk dairy at Seaton Junction was a modest sized building with its own rail siding and the wash out for 3 tankers was done outside prior to the tanks pushed into the shed to be filled.

Eggs were also moved by rail from here and many unusual shunting practices took place.

Might be worth investigating to allow you a dairy styled on that. Unigate at Chard was a massive building. They are the only 2 dairies I know unfortunately.

Craig
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
If you plump for a dairy you could have Siphons carrying milk churns or tank wagons. If the latter I'd suggest 3 axled versions as the 2 axled were basically withdrawn pre WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Railway_Milk_Tank_Wagon

I guess it depends when in GWR history you set the layout.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: RailGooner on February 17, 2018, 01:23:03 PM
 :hmmm: Coal Staithes?
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Carmont on February 17, 2018, 02:07:21 PM
:helpneededsign:
With baseboard construction well underway for Charlport Junction it is time to turn my attention to finalising the track plan. The scenario is a ubiquitous GWR junction with double track mainline and single track branch and goods services (with inspiration taken from Charlbury, Halwill Junction and Cleobury Mortimer - you'll not spot much resemblance though).
As always, I expect to have to bend and stretch things a little but for now I would welcome your thoughts and comments on the track plan please (note: all roads L & R lead to fiddle yard behind backscene). Please feel free to comment on any glaring errors, wrong roads etc.etc. before I embark on sectionalising the thing for dc. You will see that the ES is shown in 2 optional places..... I fancy replacing one location with some kind of light industry e.g. agricultural engineers, dairy etc. so welcome comments on which to keep and which to change. Thanks.

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I think the plan looks pretty good, and quite interesting to operate.

If it were I, I would have the points at the bottom left, just before the branch-line meets the platform rearranged so it was a trailing point, from the clockwise main-line track's point of view. I would then delete the facing points between the platforms. I think that arrangement would have been more likely for the station layout you have there.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 17, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
Thanks for taking time out guys....
1) CS = coal staiths
2) Access from clockwise loop - agree this is convoluted but wasn't sure how to "unconvolute" it and keep trailing points -  any suggestions ?
3) My preference was to put a dairy in lieu of lower ES... thanks for the suggestions Nobby & Craig
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 17, 2018, 05:43:30 PM
 :thankyousign:
Thanks Carmont.. that would simplify things as well as improving access - great suggestion
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Carmont on February 17, 2018, 07:31:31 PM
:thankyousign:
Thanks Carmont.. that would simplify things as well as improving access - great suggestion

Prototypically, goods trains travelling clockwise would have two options to access the goods yard. Either stop and run 'round their train at the platform and then cross into the anti-clockwise line to then reverse into the goods yard, OR travel past the station to a run 'round loop further up the line, then return to your station on the anti-clockwise line and then reverse into the goods yard.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 17, 2018, 07:36:01 PM
:thankyousign:
Thanks Carmont.. that would simplify things as well as improving access - great suggestion

Prototypically, goods trains travelling clockwise would have two options to access the goods yard. Either stop and run 'round their train at the platform and then cross into the anti-clockwise line to then reverse into the goods yard, OR travel past the station to a run 'round loop further up the line, then return to your station on the anti-clockwise line and then reverse into the goods yard.
With an Engine Shed on site I was thinking that maybe a Tank Engine stabled locally could pick up the goods rather than relying on a "run round" ?????
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Carmont on February 17, 2018, 07:46:19 PM
I'm not sure. Presumably the only reason to have an engine stabled, would be to work the branch line...so an arriving goods train would have to coincide with the branch train being at the mainline station. It's possible I suppose. I'm not sure how prototypical that would  have been, usually it would have been the train engine that would shunt it's own train.

But that could all be academic depending on how you run your railway. They key is you have to enjoy and be satisfied with how you operate your railway (rule 1, etc.)

I would still change the pointwork, however. I think it would feel and look a lot more satisfying.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 17, 2018, 08:18:55 PM
I'm sold on the pointwork change. As for the ops....... everyday's a schoolday for me..... I appreciate the explanation... Thanks
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2018, 09:12:50 PM

1) CS = coal staiths


Good spot @RailGooner (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5427)
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: RailGooner on February 17, 2018, 11:42:57 PM

1) CS = coal staiths


Good spot @RailGooner ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5427[/url])

 :bounce: What do I win? What do I win?
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: acook on February 19, 2018, 07:55:21 PM
How do you get from the clockwise main line onto the branch?
A lot of reversing needed.
Alan
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: acook on February 19, 2018, 08:16:42 PM
If you reverse the crossover at the right hand end then you can come off the clockwise main into what would then form a passing loop.
also useful to park a slow train to allow the non stopping express through, and makes a run around loop for the branch train engine.
HTH
Alan
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 21, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
A day off with No. 1 grandson today so it had to be with these beauties.....
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 22, 2018, 06:44:56 PM
Back to the real thing so it's now time to test some concepts:
1) PVA for foam underlay and track...... awaiting drying time (it's cold in the garage today)
2) Wire in tube to extend the point motor........ works beautifully but think I may change the net curtain track for ptfe tube to reduce friction.

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3) Next step is to try out electromagnetic uncoupling with a tiny magnet glued onto coupling and electromagnet under track......... smaller fingers needed I think.

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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: colpatben on February 22, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: DaveGlew link=topic=40270.msg493027#msg493027

3) Next step is to try out electromagnetic uncoupling with a tiny magnet glued onto coupling and electromagnet under track.........
Electromagnet and neodymium permanent magnets, what are you trying to acheive South/South to repell the coupling magnet or North/South to attract the coupling. is there not a risk of the coupling magnet being attracted to the de energised elecromagnet iron core?
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 22, 2018, 07:48:32 PM
I am proposing to repel N to N with a magnet on one end of each stock item. There are a number of risks so I hope to experiment with the distances to find an optimum spacing between electromagnet and truck etc. Other than the magnet, I am hoping to run with unmodified rtr couplings. Works nicely on my 00 but N is a whole new world for me.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on February 26, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
When coming over to N from the dark side (00) it's quite hard to get your head around size and scale. So before track laying commences I thought I'd build something... just to get a feel for size.

I have also been experimenting with controllers today..... I have some nice ECM Compspeeds ready but felt they might prove to be a bit powerful for N. So, by replacing the recommended 12 - 16 v a.c. transformer with a 9v one, all seems good on the test track (no load output to track peaked at 8.8v) and slow running was lovely.

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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 10, 2018, 04:44:54 PM
Slow progress at Charlport Junction (compared to some on this illustrious forum) but I had to escape the snow and hide in the Canaries for a while. Anyway, before my next holiday I thought I'd better do a bit. Main and folding boards are now complete so time to think about tracklaying. Having thoroughly varnished the mdf I am now fixing the foam underlay. I've also taken delivery of a Faller car system so need to think carefully about a roadway plan. Also working on the wiring plans for my DC cab.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 15, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
First bit of track laid and first electromagnet installed.... then had to take a break to construct a lambing shelter in 1:1 scale with my pal....... spring is here  :)
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 16, 2018, 06:59:24 PM
Look what arrived in the post today.......... what a quick delivery you get from Colin (as quick as Amazon Prime)... Great service from truly British supplier.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: SheldonC on March 17, 2018, 01:03:37 PM
:thankyousign:
Thanks Carmont.. that would simplify things as well as improving access - great suggestion

Prototypically, trains travelling clockwise would have two options to access the goods yard. Either stop and run 'round their train at the platform and then cross into the anti-clockwise line to then reverse into the goods yard, OR travel past the station to a run 'round loop further up the line, then return to your station on the anti-clockwise line and then reverse into the goods yard.
Would it not be easier (and still prototypical) to reverse the positions of both sets of crossovers at the ends of the island platform?  In reality, both sets would have been interlocked, so that a clockwise train could be signalled through the island on one side or the other, but a train destined for the branch would have to come to a stand after clearing the first crossover, before both sets were set to normal for a) the branch train to proceed down the branch or b) a second clockwise train to be signalled though on the main line.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: SheldonC on March 17, 2018, 01:46:31 PM
If you reverse the crossover at the right hand end then you can come off the clockwise main into what would then form a passing loop.
also useful to park a slow train to allow the non stopping express through, and makes a run around loop for the branch train engine.
HTH
Alan
I see now that you beat me to the draw. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: SheldonC on March 17, 2018, 01:50:19 PM
Look what arrived in the post today.......... what a quick delivery you get from Colin (as quick as Amazon Prime)... Great service from truly British supplier.
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Colin's a great human benefactor, as well as being a one (+1) man band. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 17, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
 :thankyousign: Agreed fellas.....makes sense to change as described. My concern was having a facing point on the clockwise main but if that is locked I guess we're all good.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: amsie on March 17, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
Looking good.  I've just come back to N from OO after about 8 years.  I wish i'd never switched now to OO.  Hope you enjoy your switch to N gauge
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 17, 2018, 04:53:48 PM
Looking good.  I've just come back to N from OO after about 8 years.  I wish i'd never switched now to OO.  Hope you enjoy your switch to N gauge

Do what I've done and keep both  :)
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: amsie on March 17, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Looking good.  I've just come back to N from OO after about 8 years.  I wish i'd never switched now to OO.  Hope you enjoy your switch to N gauge

Do what I've done and keep both  :)

haha, I've mass sold most of my OO stuff to fund my N stuff.  Because my layout is in loft trusses, I was never really able to get a good view of the layout.  With N I get the view I want.  I left N at the time Farish was bought out by Bachmann and Dapol hadn't even entered the N market so there wasn't much going on N gauge wise. 
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Milton Rail on March 17, 2018, 05:56:50 PM
A day off with No. 1 grandson today so it had to be with these beauties.....
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If these are the rubbery feeling cake toppers, that are almost N gauge ... you can (maybe not in front of your grandson) carve the faces off and apply them to your N gauge loco's to have an actual Thomas day on your layout .....  here is one of my attempts, with "Blue Peter" masquerading as Gordon!

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Duck

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Anyway, that is enough hi-jacking from Perthshire!  Apologies if you have already been doing that!
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 17, 2018, 06:46:28 PM
Ha Ha...... I like it Milton Rail. Actually they are metal, but you've got me thinking  >:D
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on March 17, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
Look what arrived in the post today.......... what a quick delivery you get from Colin (as quick as Amazon Prime)... Great service from truly British supplier.

What a lovely locomotive!  I completely agree regarding the service.  I once had a little problem with one of my Union Mills locomotives and, by agreement, sent it for repair.  It was returned very quickly as good as new - no charge, done under guarantee.  Colin Heard very kindly said that the component was faulty.  The locomotive was over two years old and had run a fair mileage, mostly on goods trains.  Wonderful service and I sent the price of the return postage with my thank you letter as this was the least I could do.

It was these locomotives that persuaded me to give British 'N Gauge' another try.  There had been disappointments in the past!

I hope you enjoy your Dukedog as much as I enjoy mine.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 18, 2018, 04:53:50 AM
Look what arrived in the post today.......... what a quick delivery you get from Colin (as quick as Amazon Prime)... Great service from truly British supplier.

What a lovely locomotive!  I completely agree regarding the service.........

I hope you enjoy your Dukedog as much as I enjoy mine.


Thanks John, actually I was greedy and also bought a Dean Goods (with management approval). As some have said, they lack a little fine detail but on balance they are fabulously designed and constructed (and weighty) and should last for years. If only I had enough stock to test their legendary pulling power.  :)
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 18, 2018, 05:24:12 AM
:thankyousign:
Thanks Carmont.. that would simplify things as well as improving access - great suggestion


Prototypically, trains travelling clockwise would have two options to access the goods yard. Either stop and run 'round their train at the platform and then cross into the anti-clockwise line to then reverse into the goods yard, OR travel past the station to a run 'round loop further up the line, then return to your station on the anti-clockwise line and then reverse into the goods yard.

Would it not be easier (and still prototypical) to reverse the positions of both sets of crossovers at the ends of the island platform?  In reality, both sets would have been interlocked, so that a clockwise train could be signalled through the island on one side or the other, but a train destined for the branch would have to come to a stand after clearing the first crossover, before both sets were set to normal for a) the branch train to proceed down the branch or b) a second clockwise train to be signalled though on the main line.

 :thankyousign:
Thanks for all the suggestions Carmont, Acook & SheldonC..........I assume you mean this simplified arrangement would serve better?

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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on March 18, 2018, 08:25:37 AM
Look what arrived in the post today.......... what a quick delivery you get from Colin (as quick as Amazon Prime)... Great service from truly British supplier.

What a lovely locomotive!  I completely agree regarding the service.........

I hope you enjoy your Dukedog as much as I enjoy mine.


Thanks John, actually I was greedy and also bought a Dean Goods (with management approval). As some have said, they lack a little fine detail but on balance they are fabulously designed and constructed (and weighty) and should last for years. If only I had enough stock to test their legendary pulling power.  :)

Excellent!  The Dean Goods is a fabulous locomotive.  Yes, I agree, Union Mills locomotives are ideal for operation and will work pretty much any traffic you like without fuss.  The proportions are correct and they look 'right'.  Perfect 'layout locomotives'.

Are you planning on obtaining a Collett Goods as well?

By the way, your splendid layout plan has the coal siding in an awkward place to shunt as a kick-back off the cattle dock.  I'd be inclined to use the middle siding for coal and dispense with the kick-back road.  That'll be much more straightforward to operate.

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 18, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Thanks John........ no motive power expansion plans yet as my startup costs have been quite high so far.... but later for definite. Thanks for the suggestion re. coal....... Idid consider an Engine shed on that kickback...... but maybe a bit overkill for the size of the location so under review now.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 30, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
A bit of progress today at Charlport Junction. A holiday in Tenerife to escape the beast from the east along with a ski trip (you've got to love retirement) have delayed progress. Now the legs have recovered I can start to get to grips with the track and points. By extending the point motors out to the edge of the board, I hope to ease my back when wiring and maintenance is required.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 30, 2018, 05:11:36 PM
......... and what progress looks like when you don't clean up for the camera :dunce:
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: SheldonC on March 30, 2018, 09:24:13 PM
:thankyousign:
Thanks Carmont.. that would simplify things as well as improving access - great suggestion


Prototypically, trains travelling clockwise would have two options to access the goods yard. Either stop and run 'round their train at the platform and then cross into the anti-clockwise line to then reverse into the goods yard, OR travel past the station to a run 'round loop further up the line, then return to your station on the anti-clockwise line and then reverse into the goods yard.

Would it not be easier (and still prototypical) to reverse the positions of both sets of crossovers at the ends of the island platform?  In reality, both sets would have been interlocked, so that a clockwise train could be signalled through the island on one side or the other, but a train destined for the branch would have to come to a stand after clearing the first crossover, before both sets were set to normal for a) the branch train to proceed down the branch or b) a second clockwise train to be signalled though on the main line.

 :thankyousign:
Thanks for all the suggestions Carmont, Acook & SheldonC..........I assume you mean this simplified arrangement would serve better?

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Exactly that.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Caz on March 31, 2018, 09:15:35 AM
I'd have thought that it might be a good idea to move the right hand crossover between platform 1 (down?) and p2 (up?) lines a little further right to the other side of the siding point so as trains from platform 3 can crossover to the p1 down line.

I'm assuming UK convention where the up track is always the outer clockwise one.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 31, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
 :thankyousign: Thanks Caz, I'm always open to suggestions and there have been a few which have got me to this point. I won't be doing much more track laying for a few days so I would be happy to take suggestions before moving the track becomes a major works for the PW gang.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on March 31, 2018, 09:25:09 AM
......... and what progress looks like when you don't clean up for the camera

I wish mine was that tidy. I don't currently have a single foot of unburied track to run something on :'(
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on March 31, 2018, 09:39:49 AM
A bit of progress today at Charlport Junction. A holiday in Tenerife to escape the beast from the east along with a ski trip (you've got to love retirement) have delayed progress. Now the legs have recovered I can start to get to grips with the track and points. By extending the point motors out to the edge of the board, I hope to ease my back when wiring and maintenance is required.
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I like your point motor arrangement, Dave.  I had been thinking about something similar for a plan that I'm mulling over.  I'd certainly be particularly grateful for more details if you were able to find the time.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 31, 2018, 10:09:00 AM
Hi John, The points control is a simple extension of surface mounted peco motors but requires some fiddling and needs to be in a relatively straight line. I used 3mm (outside diam) ptfe tube and 0.8mm diameter steel piano wire - both easily obtained on flea bay. Having cut the tubing to a "near enough" length, I fixed the point end of it down with hot glue. Then inserted the piano wire and fitted to the point end with a bend. Having cut the motor end of the wire and fixed it to the motor, a little shuffling of the tube and the motor determined the optimum position for the motor. It is important to check actuation in both directions a few times before screwing the motor down. Final tweaks can then be made if needed by wiggling (technical term) the tubing before finally glueing it down. Finally, do an electrical test to make sure it does what it should.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Bealman on March 31, 2018, 10:12:28 AM
That's some pretty impressive under/above board engineering!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on March 31, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
That's some pretty impressive under board engineering!  :thumbsup:
:no:
It's actually all on the surface to save all that crawling around underneath when the switches give (inevitable) problems.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Bealman on March 31, 2018, 10:19:17 AM
Thanks! I modified my post when the light dawned  :dunce: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: SheldonC on March 31, 2018, 11:50:15 AM
I'd have thought that it might be a good idea to move the right hand crossover between platform 1 (down?) and p2 (up?) lines a little further right to the other side of the siding point so as trains from platform 3 can crossover to the p1 down line.

I'm assuming UK convention where the up track is always the outer clockwise one.
This would allow a loco in charge of a clockwise goods train more easily to leave some or all of its train in a safe place (platform 3) while it shunts the yard and drops off wagons from its train &/or picks up others from the yard and leaving intervals for other clockwise trains to pass through on Platform 2.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on March 31, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
......... and what progress looks like when you don't clean up for the camera


I wish mine was that tidy. I don't currently have a single foot of unburied track to run something on :'(


@tutenkhamunsleeping (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490)
But you're only meant to ballast up to sleeper level, Steve, not entirely cover the track :no:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on April 01, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
Hello Dave

Thank you very much for the description of your point operating arrangements and for the helpful photographs.

I have started to find below-baseboard point motors to be an irritation and have used Kato track on my most recent layout for this reason.  But I really want to use Peco track again and have been mulling over some form of 'wire in tube' or 'bicycle spoke' operation.  I had been wondering about combining this with Peco point motors; your solution is ideal.

Thank you very much indeed for taking the time long to explain this so clearly.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 02, 2018, 03:11:42 PM
Under close supervision from the gang master, good progress has been made by the PW gang today. The majority of scenic side track is now in position (held with pins but not stuck down). All live frog droppers are in place and some DC feeds...... next steps will be a continuity/isolation test, Uncoupling electromagnets, point motor wires-in-tubes and base board joints when the coper clad board arrives. Lots to do but no hurry as I must do some more on my 00 before the grandsons come to play.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on April 03, 2018, 08:52:58 AM
It certainly is great progress, Dave.

The Head Ganger has obtained maximum productivity!  What's the Head Ganger's name?

By the way, it looks to me from the arrangement of the goods yard that you have decided not to include the kick-back siding we discussed earlier.  If so, I think you have done the right thing.  Shunting it would either have been fascinating or a nuisance, according to your point of view.

The arrangement of your branch line platform on a loop is a lovely idea.  It sort of slightly reminds me of Oxenholme or Dunblane.  A nice variation from a bay platform.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 03, 2018, 09:10:26 AM
Thanks John..... Oscar is a hard taskmaster. I took feedback from many great contributors to this forum (Note to moderators - this really is a "friendly" forum) on the track plan and liked your suggestion on ditching the kickback so thanks. In the end, if its not perfect/prototypical, so be it......sometimes you have to "just do it".
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: port perran on April 03, 2018, 05:36:14 PM
THat looks good.
I love the gentle curve into the station and the goods yard area is simple and not overdone.
Looking forward to seeing more progress. Hopefully Oscar will keep you on your toes (though he does look rather laid back).
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 11, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
Not much progress at Charlport Junction to show in pictures. Having fitted locking hinges to the split fiddle yard, I discovered that, when folding away as two separate pieces, the baseboard joins interfered with each other. I have now re-engineered the fold down section to operate as one piece, but retained a split in case the thing ever needs to be taken apart. Hinges have always been my nemesis. All point motors and wire/tubes now installed - just waiting for more accessory switches to arrive. Next step - the dreaded copper clad baseboard joins.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on April 11, 2018, 07:03:58 PM
Next step - the dreaded copper clad baseboard joins.

Rather you than me, Dave.  Baseboard joins are my most potent aversion (apart from people that are unkind to children or animals).  In the interests of a happy life, I  have resolved to never have any baseboard joins again. 

I wish you the very best of British luck with the joins.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 13, 2018, 05:18:48 PM
They say you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs....... track laying at Charlport Junction is progressing well, along with my own job creation scheme for the cleanup team.
Taking a gamble with the set track insulfrogs in the fiddle yard - should be able to swap easily if they become an issue but I want to keep the yard as simple as possible.
Time for tea I think.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on April 13, 2018, 08:30:57 PM
Taking a gamble with the set track insulfrogs in the fiddle yard - should be able to swap easily if they become an issue but I want to keep the yard as simple as possible.

Guess it depends what you'll be running, Dave.
What will you be cutting the tracks over the join with?
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 13, 2018, 08:34:43 PM
Taking a gamble with the set track insulfrogs in the fiddle yard - should be able to swap easily if they become an issue but I want to keep the yard as simple as possible.

Guess it depends what you'll be running, Dave.
What will you be cutting the tracks over the join with?
Running steam with and without tenders, so will suck it and see. Think I will cut rail with a razor saw as slitting discs seem a bit big, but happy to take advice from those who've got the T-Shirt
 :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: port perran on April 14, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
Looking good and nice straight track.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 14, 2018, 10:12:17 AM
I guess it was inevitable when removing the sleepers...........some fine tuning with the track gauge is required today
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 25, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
Well it's all been a bit quiet at Charlport Junction recently. "Minding" sick grandchildren, fine weather for gardening and waiting for modelling orders to arrive have all but stalled progress. All mainline and branch line track is now laid and stuck down, as is the fiddle yard........ just the siding to lay but this will probably wait until the goods yard/station forecourt are better defined in my head. All points are now connected to their motors (except storage yard which remains manual until I know if I can trust the settrack points) via wires inside ptfe tubes - note the tactical avoidance of W. I. T. reference as it has had the potential for confusion in the past. All points droppers are dropped. Next step is to finalise the uncoupling locations and fit electromagnets. Once that's done, progress will move to wiring in the feeds, frog switches and tag strips for linking back to the control panel. Also, track at baseboard joints has yet to be cut - this will wait until electrical continuity and smooth running has been confirmed. Pics will follow once I have had time to tidy up.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 25, 2018, 10:57:46 PM
 :hellosign:  :photospleasesign: all sounds good
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 30, 2018, 08:25:47 AM
Wiring is progressing well at Charlport Junction. All point motors now have their accessory switches fitted and have been tested. I have decided to wire all track feeds back to these with a number of benefits:
- Easy access on the surface
- Combine track feed with point polarity switching
- Combine point switching with control panel indicators.
I'm beginning to create a wire worms nest under the board but things will all be tidied eventually and 25 way D type links to control panel will help.
Slow and steady progress.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on April 30, 2018, 09:00:14 AM
It's looking jolly good, Dave.  Slow and steady progress pays off in the end.  "It's dogged that does it."  (Acknowledgement Chief Inspector Japp.)

I like the get-at-ability of your surface-mounted components.  I have done a bit of this in the past but nothing as extensive or as well thought-out as this.  Are there point motors for the loops in the foreground of your picture?

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 30, 2018, 09:08:58 AM
Thanks John,
 no motors fitted to the fiddle yard in the foreground yet. This fold up board uses settrack insulfrog points so I want to make sure they don't give problems....... I am prepared to change to electro frog if necessary. Either way they will eventually be motorised so that I can operate from either the front or the back.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Bealman on April 30, 2018, 09:47:00 AM
That is a really excellent installation, Dave.

The Setrack small plastic frog points worry me a bit, as you have done a great job on the yard. Seems a shame that it could possibly be compromised by those points.

However, I'm sure that you've tested trains through them, and hey, if it works, don't fix it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 30, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
They worry me too Bealman from all I've heard... and they are not fully tested yet.... but I have plenty of space to change them if necessary...... thanks to folks on here recommending Copydex it should be straightforward.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Bealman on April 30, 2018, 10:10:57 AM
Ok, sounds like it shouldn't be much of a problem. However, I'm a great believer in not making work if it isn't necessary (Mrs Bealman calls it laziness).

I'd try running a few of the trains you intend to run through them, and if all is well, save yourself a bit of work!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on April 30, 2018, 11:04:02 AM
It's looking jolly good, Dave.  Slow and steady progress pays off in the end.  "It's dogged that does it."  (Acknowledgement Chief Inspector Japp.)


@Train Waiting (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222)
Sorry to go off on a tangerine, but do you refer to the excellent author Jake Woodhouse?

In the meantime (and back on topic) I'm sure folks post wiring pictures purely to drive me insane :laugh3: :stop:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on April 30, 2018, 01:29:42 PM
In the meantime (and back on topic) I'm sure folks post wiring pictures purely to drive me insane :laugh3: :stop:
:sorrysign:
Sorry Mick, but it would be shameful if, as a former Post Office (BT) apprentice, I couldn't get the wiring right. I'm available for hire if needed....... IPA is my tipple - lol.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on April 30, 2018, 01:42:57 PM
I'm available for hire if needed....... IPA is my tipple - lol.

Sorry Dave. I need my IPA for track cleaning :-X
I hope you're not a smoker! :worried:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on April 30, 2018, 08:24:22 PM
It's looking jolly good, Dave.  Slow and steady progress pays off in the end.  "It's dogged that does it."  (Acknowledgement Chief Inspector Japp.)


@Train Waiting ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222[/url])
Sorry to go off on a tangerine, but do you refer to the excellent author Jake Woodhouse?

In the meantime (and back on topic) I'm sure folks post wiring pictures purely to drive me insane :laugh3: :stop:


Not this time, Mick @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) .  It is a reference to the author about whom Nancy Banks-Smith memorably said, '... has given more pleasure in bed than any other woman.'  Agatha Christie.  Chief Inspector Japp features in some of the 'Poirot' stories in print but became a central character in many of the excellent adaptations for the telly.  Phillip Jackson was brilliant in the part.

As regards the tangerine; I take full responsibility for it.  Sorry, Dave.

As regards wiring pictures; I'll post one over the next couple of days and look forward to your reaction.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on April 30, 2018, 08:32:34 PM
John @Train Waiting (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222)
Before leaving the tangerine I had just read one of the 'Amsterdam Quartet' books by Jake Woodhouse featuring Inspector Jaap Rykel - hence the question.

Meanwhile - pictures of wiring have been posted today by Uppington and by Papyrus so a darkened room and a bucket of Southern Comfort is my self prescribed remedy.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on May 14, 2018, 08:32:01 AM
Who cares if:
There's no scenery
The wiring is a lash up
The camera work is shaky
The speed is not to scale etc. etc.
There's a certain paternal satisfaction in your inaugural run. Charlport Junction sees its first departure and a big sigh of relief that the insulfrog points in the fiddle yard are behaving. Must stop now and get on with "proper" wiring.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Innovationgame on May 14, 2018, 08:43:14 AM
That looks like a giant leap for trainkind  :beers:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on May 14, 2018, 10:41:50 AM

There's no scenery
The wiring is a lash up
The camera work is shaky
The speed is not to scale etc. etc.


Welcome to my 'Kimbolted' world :D
Have you got an 0-6-0 non tender loco you could try, Dave?
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on May 14, 2018, 11:05:09 AM

There's no scenery
The wiring is a lash up
The camera work is shaky
The speed is not to scale etc. etc.


Welcome to my 'Kimbolted' world :D
Have you got an 0-6-0 non tender loco you could try, Dave?
It's early days yet Mick, but this little fella seems OK so far.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on May 14, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
Excellent, Dave. Thanks for taking the trouble.
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on May 16, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
Who cares if:
There's no scenery
The wiring is a lash up
The camera work is shaky
The speed is not to scale etc. etc.
There's a certain paternal satisfaction in your inaugural run. Charlport Junction sees its first departure and a big sigh of relief that the insulfrog points in the fiddle yard are behaving. Must stop now and get on with "proper" wiring.

Indeed - who cares!  Thank you for the film with everything tickety-boo.  That's a jolly nice engine which is running so well.

Thanks again, Dave: congratulations and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on January 18, 2019, 09:46:07 PM
Can't believe it's been 9 months since I last visited here - Good to see you're all still hanging in there. I had some significant setbacks with Charlport Junction last Spring and so took a 6 month sabbatical (and a lot of deep breaths). My design for point control using peco point motors extended by piano wire and ptfe tube appeared to fail. I initially put this down to poor alignment as throwing the points varied from erratic to a complete "no go" - leaving me somewhat deflated. After a busy summer and lots of holidays, I rekindled my enthusiasm and by the beginning of December, I revisited the problem. I experimented with Seeps, under board mounting etc. etc. In summary, it seemed after all these experiments, the issue was not poor alignment but lack of power to the motors. I had used long printer cables to link the layout to the control panel but the current carrying capacity of these was insufficient for the point motors. So - a complete rewire was needed, along with disposal of the "portable" control panel which had taken weeks to build (sob sob). Rewiring, a brand new control panel (and rekindled enthusiasm) is now progressing well and hopefully the points (and even some trial running) should happen in a couple of weeks. I've even prewired some options for operating signals using servo controllers (ambitious but hey, plan ahead). Pictures to follow. Will probably go to Stafford too in order to fuel the momentum.
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Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Train Waiting on January 19, 2019, 09:56:15 AM
It's great to see you back, Dave.

I had been wondering where you had got to...

I'm looking forward to hearing of progress on your layout.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on January 19, 2019, 01:08:00 PM
There will be at least 3 of us at the Stafford show on the Sunday (weather permitting)
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: DaveGlew on January 19, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
Sounds good @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264). Not sure which day I'm going yet. Is there a team hat or something so we can spot each other :wave:
Title: Re: Charlport Junction - N gauge in the garage
Post by: Newportnobby on January 19, 2019, 02:59:21 PM
@DaveGlew (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6478)
Dave - I'll be there between 10 and 11 am and will be sporting a forum T shirt or polo shirt + a forum beanie hat if it's cold.
Coming down from Lancashire, if it's icy/snowy all bets are off!
I believe Malc and DaveG will be there around 11 ish