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Title: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on November 11, 2012, 10:45:24 PM
Finally got some time today to work on the layout. I am gradually lighting the buildings and, depending on how I get on, the layout is likely to change from seaside town to seaside with Canary Wharf style buildings. I love Canary Wharf and one of the advantages of going urban is that I won't have the problem of trying to source loads of realistic trees without emptying my bank account. I have been gaining inspiration from Quinntopia.

The Kato Cylindrical Building, I turned into an Art Gallery

This is the Veroboard with the wires for the building. It will fit in the out-of focus part of the building. Two wires go to the power source.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_7965.jpg)

This is the building with the wires still to be joined to the Veroboard. If I was doing this again, I would solder these wires direct to the Veroboard but I am still learning how to solder this stuff and it was easier to do the Veroboard first. The heatshrink is only there to identify the wires as I got my colour coding mixed up! Unfortunately the street lights were all duds - I have sent a note to Everest models from eBay, normally they are extremely reliable.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_7966.jpg)

This is the lit building - single LEDs were used for the cylindrical part (two for each floor) and a single strip of 3 LEDs for the rectangular part. I wanted to create a sort of surreal effect for the top of the building so used a blue LED. The top floor has the lights behind the walls to give a translucent effect to the pictures and also to give a contrast in the lighting to the other floors.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8013.jpg)

I printed the Tate Modern logo in reverse on Crafty Computer clear waterslide transfer paper. When it is stuck to the doors, it comes out the right way. The other door is a red blind done the same way. I've been using transfers quite a bit now. The pictures in the gallery were transfers and I've been using the transfers as blinds on rows of small windows.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8015.jpg)

This is one of the floors of the gallery. The curved bench seats were made by cutting and sticking two layers of FabFoam from Hobbycraft which fitted the sitting people very well. FabFoam also was used as a covering for the floors. The building comes with the floors but I drilled the holes in all the wrong places for the lights so had to make my own floors from plasticard covered with FabFoam. Scotsoft pointed me in the direction of a 'Dremel' from Maplins earlier in the year - I am finding it invaluable for this work.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_7976.jpg)

One of the problems with both Kato and Tomix buildings is the amount of light bleed through the plastic and also that some of the edges are not entirely straight - the church was no exception and needed quite a bit of work. The church was lit with a strip of 3 LEDs. The strip was stuck onto a piece of foamboard with 3 holes cut into it for each of the lights. I did this to control where the light went - otherwise there would be too much light coming out of the side windows (and churches generally keep an eye on energy costs - so lights are on the dim side)

I wanted to give the church some stained glass windows. These were images from the web, scaled and printed onto transparency paper before sticking to the back of the windows

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8008.jpg)

The front of the church with 'Rose' window

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8007.jpg)













Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Caz on November 11, 2012, 11:10:40 PM
Nice work Pengy, looks really smart, Blackpool illuminations next  :)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on November 11, 2012, 11:36:41 PM
They look superb and I like the stained glass windows  :thumbsup:

I am pleased the "Dremel" has proved its worth, shame they have stopped selling them.

cheers John.

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 12, 2012, 06:35:12 AM
Thanks for your kind comments.

An update from Everest models, they are going to send me another pack. This is great service!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: port perran on November 12, 2012, 07:06:04 AM
That looks really good.
I also love the little church, Well done indeed,
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Chinahand on November 12, 2012, 08:16:45 AM
Very nice work Pengy especially the blue top floor.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 12, 2012, 08:45:05 AM
Nice work Pengy, looks really smart, Blackpool illuminations next  :)

Blackpool illuminations? Now there's a thought! Not sure where I'd get small enough LEDs . . .
I think it would be beyond my capabilities at the moment but who knows for the future.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: daveg on November 12, 2012, 08:53:54 AM
Really impressive stuff!

I have some street and yard lamps to fit but not tried any internal lighting. Most of my building are Metcalfe and I think light bleed would be a bit of a challenge. Perhaps if I do any new kits I could insert black card to reduce that.

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 12, 2012, 09:01:38 AM
The church was made from thicker plastic but even that was not thick enough to prevent some light coming through the roof. Insulating tape does the trick ok (can get rolls of it from 99p shop)

I am working on the Tomix Bank. Should be easy to light as the windows are very small so no point in doing an interior. However the bottom edges are slightly wiggly in places and the whole thing is taking an age to do.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Caz on November 12, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
Really impressive stuff!

I have some street and yard lamps to fit but not tried any internal lighting. Most of my building are Metcalfe and I think light bleed would be a bit of a challenge. Perhaps if I do any new kits I could insert black card to reduce that.

Dave G

I've not had any light bleed problems using Metcalfe kits, the card they are made from seems thick enough to prevent it. 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Newportnobby on November 12, 2012, 09:18:53 AM
Gotta admire that work, Pengy. Well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: brbluewill on November 12, 2012, 11:31:56 AM
brilliant  :claphappy: very effective and something which brings a layout to life :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: JonHarbour on November 12, 2012, 11:51:28 AM
Love your work! Really inspiring.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Greybeema on November 12, 2012, 12:48:39 PM
Great work Pengy, the building look superb.   Nowadays churches generally seem to have spotlights set into the grounds to illuminate the outside - are you going to try and emulate that?

Now you have started - you have to go all the way. 

I need to learn a thing or two about this myself especially when it comes down to power sources, LED types and which resistors.  I will ultimately need street / Yard lights and internal lights (houses mainly) so any guidance you give will be greatly appreciated...

 :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 12, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
I need to learn a thing or two about this myself especially when it comes down to power sources, LED types and which resistors.  I will ultimately need street / Yard lights and internal lights (houses mainly) so any guidance you give will be greatly appreciated...

For general internal lighting now is the time to act! If you are not confident in electronics, walk into your local pound shop or similar christmas selection and find a suitably tacky cheap *LED* (not bulb)  christmas tree light set in white, one with a flash rate controller that goes to not flashing and power supply.  Some come in one long strand which isn't so useful others in multiple strands, which will do most of a street. If you can only get brilliant white then while in the pound shop buy a tin of chocolates in those various colours of  semi-transparent plastic wrappers and save the wrappers over christmas

Generally way cheaper than you build them, especially in the Christmas sale !

Alan
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Greybeema on November 12, 2012, 05:11:30 PM
Brilliant thanks EP, and just to build on that if you get the cheap pound shop Fibre Optics lights then you have a lifetimes head and taillights for trains.....
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: steam-driven boy on November 13, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
Hi,
...one of the advantages of going urban is that I won't have the problem of trying to source loads of realistic trees without emptying my bank account. I have been gaining inspiration from Quinntopia.

The Kato Cylindrical Building, I turned into an Art Gallery

Very neat and tidy looking work there, I too love the blue lighting.
Ultra-urban is my way to go in my own small fashion. but just for the 'ell of it there will be a small strip of geenery on the central reservation of the dual-carriageway as a sop to the environmentalists... - and it certainly will save a bit on realistic tree purchasing but that notional saving will be ploughed back into the lighting and structures I suspect  :thumbsup:
I think it is a necessity to have full internal lighting in urban public buildings visibly on during daylight hours - shades of Love's "Car lights on in the daytime blues" - except for my one planned building with black windows that won't show such :smiley-laughing:
There will be daylight only operation though for the layout, the thought I'll have enough lifespan to add lighting to all those coaches, road vehicles and street lights looks way too optimistic for me at my rate of progress...

Just out of idle curiosity could you run a ruler over the cylindrical part of the building?  I know the overall dimensions for the whole structure but a comparison for when(ever!) I tackle my scratchbuild 'Rotunda' would be useful  8)

Regards, Gerry.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 17, 2012, 10:30:42 PM

Just out of idle curiosity could you run a ruler over the cylindrical part of the building?  I know the overall dimensions for the whole structure but a comparison for when(ever!) I tackle my scratchbuild 'Rotunda' would be useful  8)

Regards, Gerry.


The building is 115mm high (including the roof structure), 80mm without the roof structure. The floors work out at 17mm high for each. Internal diameter is 43mm, external 50mm. The 'rectangular' part is 50mm w x 38mm d x 68mm h.


I have now added the street lights - this was a real tale of woe.  I discovered that my 15W iron was not hot enough to solder some of the wires (the +ve wire from the light to the resistor) so acquired a 40W iron from a neighbour but had problems with contamination of the tip. The 40W iron was able to solder the wires ok once I had finally got the tip clean but the contamination has eaten away at the tip. Good job they don't want it back! If I was doing this building again, I would have used thinner wires.

It is very difficult to photograph the building with these lights as the lights give off a blue cast and if I compensate for that under incandescent lights, then the rest of the building has a muddy cast. So the pictures were taken in the dark using a white balance setting of 'flash' on my camera.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8032.jpg)

I also found more light bleed through the roof of the church so added more insulation tape to the insides. Whilst I was doing it, I centered the rose window and also added some pink Fab Foam to the back of it to tone down the amount of light coming through.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8021.jpg)

Still working on the bank - have added streetlights. Found light bleed through the front of the building when viewed in the dark (but not in ambient). The bank is normally a tan colour but I have painted it dark grey now and the light bleed has diminished. As I said in my an earlier post, this building should be easy but the poor quality of the Kato kit means I have spent more time on it than the Art Gallery and the church put together - I'm getting a bit fed up with this building now.




Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Caz on November 17, 2012, 10:43:44 PM
Despite the troubles you are having they do look superb, well done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on November 17, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
Excellent work  Pengy look forward to seeing more  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on November 17, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
They are looking very good, Quintopia has a rival  ;)

They may be taking you some time to do but look on the bright side, they are keeping you busy and away from looking at trains for sale  :D

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 18, 2012, 05:35:01 AM
The other good thing is that it is keeping me away from chocolate . . . ( only for a short while though)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 18, 2012, 05:08:05 PM
Looks great.. just needs DCC controlled church bells and a choir...  :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: steam-driven boy on November 18, 2012, 08:56:32 PM
Hi,
The building is 115mm high (including the roof structure), 80mm without the roof structure. The floors work out at 17mm high for each. Internal diameter is 43mm, external 50mm. The 'rectangular' part is 50mm w x 38mm d x 68mm h.
Thanks for those numbers, a useful reference to keep in the back of my mind when the time comes  :thumbsup:

Regards, Gerry.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 23, 2012, 07:19:33 PM
I've put the dreaded Bank aside for the moment and turned my attention to the Tomix Electrical Substation which is a very plasticky looking building.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Substation-Tomix-4023-1-150-N-scale-/200830332561?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec26bae91 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Substation-Tomix-4023-1-150-N-scale-/200830332561?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec26bae91)

Whilst searching the web for ideas on substations, I found a website showing the progress of the construction of the Sumida Crossing layout (which I am shamelessly poaching ideas from)

http://www.sumidacrossing.org/TheModelRailroad/LayoutScenery/VillageBuildings/ (http://www.sumidacrossing.org/TheModelRailroad/LayoutScenery/VillageBuildings/)

When I first bought this building, I had no intention of lighting it and stupidly glued it all together, including the windows. This left me with the problem of how to prevent the light bleed - so had to paint two coats of black over a primer inside the building, and the windows are very small.

I didn't know what the inside of a modern substation building looked like (and the web was not much help either) so guessed that it might look at bit like a computer server room - so copied some pictures.

I made this structure out of foamcore for the inside.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8033.jpg)

and this is what it looks like through one of the windows

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8036.jpg)

The substation is towards the back of my layout and, with the windows being so small, I wondered whether to just put blinds on the windows and not bother with the inside - but decided to do it in case I moved the substation into a more prominent position. Will post more pictures in due course in its progress.




Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Malc on November 23, 2012, 07:22:15 PM
It's been a few years since I was last in a sub station, but the had huge transformers, lots of big metal boxes and ceramic insulators.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 23, 2012, 07:51:25 PM
It's been a few years since I was last in a sub station, but the had huge transformers, lots of big metal boxes and ceramic insulators.

All of that is on the ground floor of the building (says I  - thinking quickly on my feet and with a nose growing longer by the minute) The top floor has been subcontracted to the company that hosts the NGF servers!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 25, 2012, 04:52:18 PM
Some more progress on the substation

The building is almost complete except that I used transfers for the grilles as finding it difficult to hand paint them (there are 15 of them). I'm probably going to have another crack at hand painting some of them although they look ok from the distance they will be on the layout. The safety signs have been applied. The roof is a bit of sandpaper. I quite often see this type of coloured roof on industrial units in my patch (but not on a substation). I'll probably use a resistor to damp the lighting down a bit too.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8046.jpg)

I have added this small building to the substation - with the roof covered with the same sandpaper.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8041.jpg)

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Caz on November 25, 2012, 04:54:16 PM
Nicely done Pengy, looks very effective.   :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on November 25, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
That is a nice little building and scene you have created  :thumbsup:

cheers John,
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: daveg on November 25, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Neat job. I like the fencing around the sub station, Pengy. How did you make it?

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on November 25, 2012, 07:25:32 PM
Neat job. I like the fencing around the sub station, Pengy. How did you make it?

Dave G

I didn't make it, it came with the kit. I'd like to get some more of it too
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Donkey on November 25, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
That looks really good Pengy, well done  :thumbsup:

Marty
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: kester on December 17, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Great work Pengy, the building look superb.   Nowadays churches generally seem to have spotlights set into the grounds to illuminate the outside - are you going to try and emulate that?

I saw an interesting way to do the spotlights - on a build of the Star Trek Enterprise (they have spotlights on the name, etc).  This chap thinned the area of the kit on the inside, and used the bleed-through of an interior light to represent the spotlight.  Bit more difficult on a building - but one of those ideas that sounds really obvious once someone tells you about it  :D

Oh - meant to add - very nice buildings Pengy

kester
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on December 27, 2012, 10:40:52 AM
The sodden weather yesterday gave me to opportunity to light a couple more buildings

This is the Kato E Liberty Street building

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8342.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8338.jpg)

And this is a Tomix building that was originally green and pale green

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8344.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8337.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8334.jpg)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Newportnobby on December 27, 2012, 12:25:48 PM
There's some superb detailing in those, Pengy :claphappy:
Even down to the hubby and wife sitting arms folded and not speaking to each other >:D
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on December 27, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Hi Pengy! I've just come across this thread... man, you are a genius. That is great work. I too enjoy detailing and cameos on layouts. I like NPN's observation of husband & wife sitting there not talking - been down that road a few times!

As for your art gallery, brilliant. I have mentioned before in another thread how much I enjoyed the latest James Bond movie - well your building is so reminiscent of the scene where the baddie shoots the bloke looking at the painting! The blue lighting on the roof, the lady looking at the painting... absolutely brilliant!

I shall certainly be following your work from now on. Oh, and EP's suggestion about the Chrismas lights and gear in the el cheapo shops is good, too. I picked up a Santa playing drums with disco lighting effects for $12. After Christmas I'm going to rip the guts out of it (so to speak) - I'm into animated gimmicks and there are plenty of applications for the innards on my layout.

Once again great work.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: davieb on December 27, 2012, 09:44:17 PM
Great work Pengy  :thumbsup:
can i just ask what type of LEDs have you used  ???

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on December 27, 2012, 09:46:33 PM
Oh, and by the way, I did note the gender, Pengy - I always do after putting my foot in my mouth with Whiteswan some time ago! When I say: man, you're a genius, no offence meant - being a Geordie ex-pat, it's sort of like an entire phrase - like "Howay, man!"

The point of my post remains: there's a bloke in Australia who is most who is most impressed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on December 28, 2012, 07:47:54 AM
Great work Pengy  :thumbsup:
can i just ask what type of LEDs have you used  ???

dave  :thumbsup:


I am using these (although I did make the mistake of buying the first lot from the UK at much higher prices)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110957159103?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110957159103?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

I am experimenting with resistors as they can seem a bit bright for small buildings. For the art gallery I used some individual 12v LEDs that I bought when I was doing OO.

I have also bought some 0607 LEDs for some specific buildings - they are even tinier than I thought  :goggleeyes:. Dropped and lost one on the floor just through opening up the packet! I am working myself up to doing a trial run with one of them.

Oh, and by the way, I did note the gender, Pengy - I always do after putting my foot in my mouth with Whiteswan some time ago! When I say: man, you're a genius, no offence meant - being a Geordie ex-pat, it's sort of like an entire phrase - like "Howay, man!"

The point of my post remains: there's a bloke in Australia who is most who is most impressed.  :thumbsup:


No worries! That sort of comment does not bother me and, regrettably, I've been called a lot worse than that! Thank you for your kind comments.

Most of my lighting attempts have been more by luck than judgement. E.g. I liked the look of the cylindrical building so bought it. Then I found it hard to know how to fill it easily so thought 'what type of building would have minimal interior furniture and yet have something to see if people looked in' and so the art gallery idea was born. Quinntopia has the same building and somehow has the top bit (where the advertising is) illuminated. I couldn't work out how he did it so had to come up with an alternative - which is where the blue light came from.

I also cannot claim that I intended the people sitting and not talking to be husband and wife, they were supposed to be two blokes looking out over the sea with a couple of tinnies (the position of their legs are more blokish than girly) but I like the husband and wife idea better so may swap one of the figures for a female one.

My next challenge is how to light this garage. There is light bleed through the roof - this is where I am looking at using the 0607s. An added complication is that the roof is made of a sort of slick plastic that ordinary plastic cement won't touch.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gas-Station-COSMO-Tomix-4068-1-150-N-scale-/120926804722 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gas-Station-COSMO-Tomix-4068-1-150-N-scale-/120926804722)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on December 31, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
Today is a landmark day as I have soldered my first SMD and it worked first time. This is the result. Hopefully I can get better with practice (the ends of the wires are not black - it is the lighting for the photo). My hands were shaking whilst I was doing it.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8351.jpg)

I was using Kynar wire because I haven't managed to tin this enamel coated copper wire that I got off eBay. Maybe the wire is the wrong sort?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280994618870?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280994618870?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

I was using the Bruce Piggott method (has already been posted on this forum). Didn't have the home made vice though - stuck the SMD onto sticky tape instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xwpCHk37mwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xwpCHk37mwg)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on December 31, 2012, 08:04:52 PM
Well done  :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy:

You have succeded where many have failed  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on December 31, 2012, 08:06:13 PM
Well done  :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy:

You have succeded where many have failed  ;)

Beginners luck I think
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: davieb on December 31, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Hi Pengy

you have made a great start  :thumbsup:

i lost a load with the little blighters pinging off in all directions
until i also started using double sided tape to hold them down  :doh:

this is the type of wire that you need

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml (http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml)

other suppliers are available

all the best

dave  :beers:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on December 31, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
Excellent work! Well done! I must admit when SMD's first started appearing in electronics magazines projects, I had the initial reaction that they were going to kill off electronics as a hobby, but obviously not. Once again, congratulations on a job well done.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on December 31, 2012, 11:50:55 PM
Hi  Pengy,   

I use  N  scale motor armature wind wire for  SMD's  to  get the wire to adhere   well  to the SMD   pads  hold the wire with  around   half an  inch  of the  wires end  between your finger &  thumb  apply lit lighter very quickly to remove the insulation  coating .........  then   add  a  small amount of flux   to  the  end of the wire   with the SMD     held  by  bluetac on a bottle top   place the  fluxed end of the wire on the  SMD's   pad &  quickly apply a hot  iron tip with a  tiny  amount of solder as soon as the  flux sizzles  remove the iron  an   excess  wire  can be trimed carefully with  a   knife  on  your workbench.   

Then   a tiny  drop   of  CA   glue   on the solder joins  &   along where you  stripped  the wire of insulation if  needs  be applied with a cocktail stick tip to   recoat it  should finish  it  fine i   do  carefully twist both wires into one    once the CA   has dried &   test  it  works ok  before fitting  into   a  building etc. 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 01, 2013, 07:48:46 PM
Have been doing more wiring with the SMDs  (0603 SMD Warm White LED).

I am still using the Kynar (as not able to get any of the copper wire yet) but used the CA glue and then twisted the wires as Nick suggested. Managed a 100% light up rate with the soldering and then blew two lights by stupidity with a resistor. The hardest part, for me, it tinning the first pad. I did modify the process as once the first wire was soldered, I clipped the wire into the 'helping hands' and found it much easier to tin the other pad and attach the wire. I don't intend these wires to be visible so happy with the Kynar at the moment

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8352.jpg)

Forgot to mention that yesterday I bought these items from the 99p shop - total spend 1.98

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8354.jpg)

The Black Dog Head Torch (which has 9 LED bulbs), I found to be essential and it gave me ample light for this work (saved buying an angled lamp). The reading glasses (-3.5) were good when I required higher magnification but I could probably have done with stronger ones

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on January 01, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
Have you seen these clip on magnifiers?

They might be what you need to clip on to your 1 pair for when you are soldering the SMD bits.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLIP-ON-LOUPE-5X-magnifier-glasses-spectacle-/300518193467?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item45f847b93b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLIP-ON-LOUPE-5X-magnifier-glasses-spectacle-/300518193467?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item45f847b93b)

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 01, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Hi  Pengy,   

If soldering  603  SMD's are on the small  side  ......  try  the 1206   size of them 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50p-1206-SMD-SMT-WARM-WHITE-LED-LAMP-LIGHT-2300mcd-/130461167420?pt=US_Car_Lighting&hash=item1e60176f3c (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50p-1206-SMD-SMT-WARM-WHITE-LED-LAMP-LIGHT-2300mcd-/130461167420?pt=US_Car_Lighting&hash=item1e60176f3c)

using SMD's in buildings where there is more room  for eg as against  lighting in a loco   they're ideal  & a lot easier on the eye

their size is
SIZE:L 3.2 x W 1.6 x D 1.1mm 1206 SMT SMD LED

Compared to  603's 
SIZE: L 1.6 x W  0.8 x  D 0.8mm 0603 SMD LED

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on January 01, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
I just ordered some of those on the 23rd Dec  :goggleeyes:  :'(  :no:  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on January 01, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
Geez those critters are unbelievably small... you all have my utmost admiration.  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 01, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
I just ordered some of those on the 23rd Dec  :goggleeyes:  :'(  :no:  ;)

Which  size did you order John ? 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on January 01, 2013, 08:45:29 PM
These ones, I think it was the link you sent me a while back.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370390419956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370390419956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 01, 2013, 08:51:22 PM
These ones, I think it was the link you sent me a while back.

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370390419956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370390419956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url])


Oh    :uneasy: good luck  with them  John  with practice they do become easier  the results  are worth the  fiddlyness  of them    :bounce:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 01, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
Thanks for the thought Nick, I have enough LED strips for the buildings. If I know what I know now, I probably would have gone for the 1206s for the buildings in the first place but I was so nervous about soldering the lights and envisaged ruining a lot of them so I thought the strips were a safer bet.

I do have a specific use for the 603s in a couple of buildings and now I even find the process of soldering them to be quite therapeutic! I'm just amazed that I have been able to solder something so tiny - when I can make a pigs ear of soldering just about anything else!

I'm going to get some Blu-tak tomorrow (had run out) so this should crack the slight difficulty I have with the tinning of the first pad.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 02, 2013, 08:24:31 PM
I've now moved on to lighting the Tomix gas station. This building also looks plasticky but the main problem is the light bleed through the canopy. Having looked at my local petrol station the underside of the canopy appears to be covered in 'tiles' and the there are a number of small lights inset into the 'tiles' giving almost a spotlight effect.

Turning the Tomix canopy over, there is enough space to fit a false 'ceiling'. The other issue with this canopy is that it is made of a different sort of plastic that regular glue doesn't stick to. So if I were to make the false 'ceiling' a tight enough fit, then I will hopefully not need to glue. I can also use the ridges on the canopy to align the wires and also paint the false ceiling black to prevent light bleed

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8359_zps4a2a827a.jpg)

The is the false ceiling with four holes for the leds and one of my newly wired 0603s over one of the holes (stuck with Kapton tape)



(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8355_zpsd4c99cf1.jpg)

And here is the ceiling attached to the roof (trial fit) with the led lit

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8356_zpse5adbc17.jpg)

As you can see, there is terrific light bleed so the next step will be to give this false 'ceiling' a number of coats of black paint (and also the canopy too!). I will also be using a different resistor to tone down the light a bit.



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 02, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
Hi  Pengy,   

The spotlights look   very effective sure once you  give the  roof/false ceiling several coats of  black  paint  the   lightbleed will  be solved .........    look  forward to seeing more progress    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on January 02, 2013, 09:25:42 PM
Looking good, Pengy! Geez, those tiny LEDs are incredibly bright, aren't they. LED technology has certainly come a long way since the days of only being able to get red, yellow, orange and green!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 03, 2013, 08:45:40 PM
Here's the first fitting (after painting the insides with black)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8362.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8361.jpg)

It is just about the effect I want

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Caz on January 03, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Looking good Pengy, I think you've cracked it,  :claphappy:   :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Newportnobby on January 03, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
Wot Caz said :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on January 03, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
Agree  :bounce:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 03, 2013, 09:50:23 PM
Looks right to me Pengy   :bounce:  if your happy theres no  lightbleed  & the  light effect is what you want to achieve  seal it up   ;) 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 03, 2013, 09:54:37 PM
Thank you for your comments - I am probably going to leave it as it is. There is an expression 'don't let excellence be the enemy of the good'. Whilst I do not proclaim that this work is good in any way, if I tinker with it further then I will probably break one of the wires and have to start again.

One thing I am going to do is change the name of this petrol station. It is a Les Dawson character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3VfMeNYrg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3VfMeNYrg8)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on January 03, 2013, 11:39:55 PM
One thing I am going to do is change the name of this petrol station. It is a Les Dawson character

Why not stick an "S" on the end to make Cosmos, that's if you have an "S"  ;)

I do think your canopy is brilliant  :admiration:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 04, 2013, 07:54:00 AM
Thanks for the nice comment, John. I'm now struggling with getting primer to attach itself to the petrol station 'shop'. Some of the Tomix stuff is a nightmare to get the paint started - I might have to be a bit more vigorous with sanding. Still - this amount of paint should limit the light bleed.


Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 12, 2013, 08:47:58 PM
Have been working on an illuminated sign for the service station. This is the proof of concept - which is almost there. The sign is exactly the same height and width as the one that came with the service station - although it is a little bit thicker now to accommodate the two SMDs

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8363.jpg)

One of the pillars at the back of the canopy is a bit thicker - this is so that I could pass the wires down from the canopy. The original pillars were not hollow - sadly.  It looks a bit worse in the picture than it is. Once I get some more plastic tubing (I have be bumper lot from Everest on order), I may replace. The pillars are not multicoloured - it is the way they have photographed.

I now have the shop to complete and then the service station is pretty much done.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: daveg on January 12, 2013, 10:07:24 PM
Cracking job! I'm going to have to re-read your whole thread to see if I can understand how you have got such brilliant results.

Remember this? -
Quote from: daveg on November 25, 2012, 07:22:16 PM

Neat job. I like the fencing around the sub station, Pengy. How did you make it?

Dave G

I didn't make it, it came with the kit. I'd like to get some more of it too


Well, just bought a cheapo splatter guard and the mesh looks pretty fine. Will compare it with the stuff that's on my GF sub station and hopefully it will be similar and usable elsewhere.

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 13, 2013, 08:02:32 AM
Daveg - you are a genuis!

I've just looked out my old splatter guard and it looks just the job (except it is filthy). I have a tennis court which I've used metallic ribbon to fence but I think a splatter guard would do the job much better. I'll be paying the 99p shop a visit to try and get a couple. What would you use to cut it?

I'm a bit disappointed with my 99p shop at the moment, I'm after the bumper pack of cocktail sticks that they normally have but have not had them in stock for some time now.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: scotsoft on January 13, 2013, 08:54:40 AM
What would you use to cut it?
Your cordless Maplins Dremel look a like will do the job superbly.
The only thing I found with the splatter guards is when you cut them they can fray very easily and they are an absolute pain to solder.  I used a splatter guard when I made my static grass gizmo and soldering one wire to the mesh took a few attempts  :veryangry:

I'm a bit disappointed with my 99p shop at the moment, I'm after the bumper pack of cocktail sticks that they normally have but have not had them in stock for some time now.

You must have had a good festive season then  :pint: :laugh2: :whistle: :whiteflag:

 :beers: John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: daveg on January 13, 2013, 11:11:19 AM
Daveg - you are a genuis!

I've just looked out my old splatter guard and it looks just the job (except it is filthy). I have a tennis court which I've used metallic ribbon to fence but I think a splatter guard would do the job much better. I'll be paying the 99p shop a visit to try and get a couple. What would you use to cut it?

I'm a bit disappointed with my 99p shop at the moment, I'm after the bumper pack of cocktail sticks that they normally have but have not had them in stock for some time now.

Tesco do them (cocktail sticks) and some have a cool little lip routed in to the top. Look good when you colour them and use them for chimney pots. Pics somewhere if I can find them.

Not sure about cutting the mesh. I'll experiment during the week and let you know. Maybe a new Stanley blade and a steel rule will be enough.

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: intraclast on January 13, 2013, 11:25:36 AM
Hi Pengy,

I've just read this thread from start to finish and really enjoyed it. The work you're doing here is superb. I'm looking forward to seeing them in situ.

What is the advantage of SMD's over rice grain (& other) LEDs? are they smaller? cheaper? more versatile?

Thanks

Mark
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 13, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Hi Pengy,

I've just read this thread from start to finish and really enjoyed it. The work you're doing here is superb. I'm looking forward to seeing them in situ.

What is the advantage of SMD's over rice grain (& other) LEDs? are they smaller? cheaper? more versatile?

Thanks

Mark


Hi  Mark,   

Forget  grain  of  rice  bulbs they can be too  large  with N gauge &  dont run  as cool  as  LED's/SMD's  of last as long  with  the majority  of LED's / SMD's  you can  install  them  &  wont need to replace them   as long as a resistor  is used with them   more information  is here in this link   http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=522781 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=522781)
 
For dimensions of the SMDS   go  to page 4   of this thread to   my  two earlier  postings  where i  detailed them   with links,   once you've  seen  the advantages  of  LED's /SMD's  over  normal  bulbs   you  wont go  back to them.   
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 21, 2013, 09:55:44 PM
As I am waiting for supplies from China and also wanting a break from light proofing Tomix buildings, I have put the service station and pizza restaurant aside and decided to construct a couple of Sankei paper kits that I've had for a while

This is the first one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-32-Building-1-150-N-scale-/121048156664?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c2f0849f8 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-32-Building-1-150-N-scale-/121048156664?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c2f0849f8)

The building itself is a little lighter than in the photo and darker than Plazajapans image. I have replaced the clear plastic sheets supplied for glazing with two thicknesses of car window tints that Oldman kindly gave me. This photo does not show it very well, but the tints give a dark mirror effect to the windows - which is the effect I am looking for. The big problem with this building is that the fence at the top is attached to the front, sides and back so it keeps getting bent about when I am working on the building. There is hardly any light bleed with these kits

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8378.jpg)

This is the building lit

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8381.jpg)

The boys are sorting out an issue with the cabinets that house the routers etc on the second floor

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8395.jpg)

The top floor is the call centre (I know how much you all love call centres >:D). This is one of the rows of agents at their screens (which are thin black card supported on a bit of black heatshrink - that has been shrunk). The photo has picked out the poor quality of the painting on one of the peeps - it will not be noticeable from the viewing distance though. However, I will be more careful  in selecting the peeps if they will be in view.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8402.jpg)

I still have signs etc to put on the building



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2013, 10:02:14 PM
Great modelling and a super eye for detailing too :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Caz on January 21, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
Great stuff Pengy, you're really getting into the building detailing game in a big way, some of the results you're achieving are truly outstanding, well done that girl.  :claphappy:    :claphappy:    :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on January 21, 2013, 10:09:54 PM
Great building & lighting Pengy as Mick  says great detailing  you  have a great deal of patience  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: daveg on January 22, 2013, 07:16:16 AM
Really great - love innovation and the way you do the interiors  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Pengi on January 22, 2013, 07:21:45 AM
Thank you for your kind comments

This is the second Sankei building

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-34-Building-B-1-150-N-scale-/200811892909?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec15250ad (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-34-Building-B-1-150-N-scale-/200811892909?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec15250ad)

These are the parts. I am beginning to enjoy making these kits - I wish they did more office type buildings.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8403.jpg)

The buff coloured parts have to be glued to the brown coloured parts - must remember to keep my paws clean as my usual trick is to apply unplanned 'weathering' to the building by means of smears of glue! There are lugs on both the brown and buff parts but are in different places so the joins are good - as long as I get them lined up properly.

I have prepared the floors in advance with the LED strips.

I wasted a lot of time on the first building as I was using different LED strips to the ones I've used in the past. These strips had very chunky wires attached (which I am replacing) and had a nice white surface to the strip.

The problem was that I thought I could connect them in series as I do with the strips with the copper coloured surface but it didn't work. I was able to connect it to a single SMD in series and that worked, also a normal LED, but I could not connect two white strips together (or a white and copper coloured strip) by joining the wires. The copper coloured strips connect ok.

The way to connect the white strips was by the pads at the other end of the strip (as in my first photo)

I don't really understand this so if any one has ideas? This meant that the holes in the floor for the wires had to be in different places.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8405.jpg)



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: Bealman on January 22, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
I stand in awe of this stuff!

It's great to see the new LED technology being harnessed properly.

Just checked out NGF having arrived back from NZ. What our Kiwi mates don't realise is the jetlag involved getting across the 'dutch' !!

Woke up Auckland at 3am, now in Wollongong 10pm - equates to 19 hours awake! Forget global travel... worst timelag is across the Tasman Sea!

Back to thread :thumbsup: (albeit sleepy eyed);

Great work.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 25, 2013, 08:37:33 AM
On to the second of my Sankei buildings

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-34-Building-B-1-150-N-scale-/200811892909?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec15250ad (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-34-Building-B-1-150-N-scale-/200811892909?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec15250ad)

This is how the car tints look with the light on them

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8419.jpg)

Construction of the kit requires gluing a brown backing layer to the front. The brown lugs connect with similar lugs on the adjacent wall. There are also lugs that protrude that fit into slots in the roof etc. I find I have needed to trim this lugs to get it to fit flush. This is particularly true of the roof and so I made a roof out of sandpaper over it to prevent the light bleed. I also had a devils own game trying to glue the elevator shaft to the main building as there was a tiny amount of light bleed. So I stuck two thin pieces of card left over from the kit as 'decoration'. I also fitted a roller door to obscure the light bleed through the elevator shaft entrance.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8416.jpg)

Here is how part of the inside was done. Someone mentionned I have a lot of patience, I don't - these interiors were quick to do. The bench seats in the training room were just two bits of Fab Foam stuck together. I use foam core to make room dividers etc. I have sheets of office interiors printed onto labels and then stuck to foam core.  The peeps are stick onto Blu-Tack which I have glued as well. I had not put enough wire on the lights to get them to the front of the building but as the windows are small and are tinted I was happy enough with the more shadowy effect.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8421.jpg)

Completed building (minus signs and the pavement has not been fully fitted)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8438.jpg)

The building is lit

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8422.jpg)

View through the windows to the training room

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8427.jpg)

The library at the end of the building

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8431.jpg)



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on January 25, 2013, 10:51:15 AM
Hi Pengy,   

Great work as ever  i  do like the  figures  brings life to the buildings something which  layouts  are lacking generally.

Is that  a  ballet / excercise class above the  training room sure the figure on the left  is doing a handstand & a ballerina in the pink  tutu .........  what they appear to be  ;)




Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 25, 2013, 12:03:34 PM
Thanks Nick, I've removed the figure that was appearing to do a handstand as he was dominating the front window too much. Now a ballet/aerobics class is a great idea for another room as I wouldn't need to make any furniture and some organisations do run stuff like this for their employees in their lunch hours. This building will be switchable as I quite like it unlit as well.

I wish I'd had more confidence to tackle the Sankei kits earlier - it would have saved me buying some of the Tomix (which are a pain to lightproof)

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on January 25, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
Tres cool!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 28, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
The job lot of plastic tubes, etc arrived from China over the weekend and also my next batch of SMDs (white and warm white) - so it was time to complete the service station.

Unfortunately this took longer than expected due to me popping most of the lights through stupidity. This gave me the opportunity to use the bright white which is probably more appropriate for a service station.

Difficult to get decent photos of this because of the different light temperatures (and also because I was too lazy to get the tripod)


The service station by day

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8579-1.jpg)

The internet cafe

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8576.jpg)

Decent diesel and petrol prices at St Clements (prices are in German as still deciding whether the layout will be fantasy based in Germany)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8565.jpg)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on January 28, 2013, 09:50:25 PM
That is just sooooo good. :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: davieb on January 28, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Brilliant  8)  :thumbsup:

you've got a great eye for detail

the bright white LEDs look spot on and give the model a realistic look

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2013, 10:35:03 PM
Bloody brilliant Pengy  :claphappy: (what pun?)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on January 28, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
You are indeed a genius. And thanks for taking me away from the subject of Aussie wildlife!  :laugh:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on January 29, 2013, 08:19:20 AM
Always enjoy to see your progress Pengy & this is no  exception  superb  detailing   ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on January 29, 2013, 08:44:59 AM
Want to come and sort mine?

Continuous supply of tea/coffee and chocolate biscuits on offer!

Great stuff - really impressed.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 29, 2013, 09:20:09 AM
I've found Fab Foam (from Hobbycraft) and Foamboard/Core (from my local Art Shop, that they cut into A4 for me) to be some of the most useful materials for doing interiors. The computer monitor in the internet cafe were just pieces of Fab Foam.

Pizza restaurant is next for completion and may do some more detailing on the petrol pumps as a bit bland.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 30, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
Kauto's Pizzeria started out as this Tomeytec House. I thought that the canopy for the car (?) could be turned into a seating area and the lattice style windows reminded me of a pizza restaurant that I used to frequent. As with Tomix/Kato buildings, a lot of light proofing is required.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/House-Collection-Type-E-Tomytec-Building-Collection-015-1-150-N-scale-/120997147098?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c2bfdf1da (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/House-Collection-Type-E-Tomytec-Building-Collection-015-1-150-N-scale-/120997147098?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c2bfdf1da)

Wanted to use an old-fashioned lamp-post, so used another of the lights from China. I used a 120R resistor to tone it down a bit and also to stop the smell that you get with incandescent lights after a while. Also placed an illuminated sign on the outside of the building. This was done by 'sanding' down the inside of the building until it allowed the light through. A 0603 SMD with a 470R resistor was then taped to the inside.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8587.jpg)

At night (the sign is out of focus), the diners sitting outside are waiting for their pizzas. There is an 0603 taped to the canopy and a 10K resistor tones down the brightness of the light. Tables are plasticard with a table cloth from Scalescenes. The bench seats are packing tape folded in half, trimmed and stuck to square plastic rod.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8598.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8586.jpg)

P.S. The name for the Pizzeria came before certain supermarkets were found to have a certain problem with their burgers. No such issues at this restaurant and Kauto Star is alive and well and embarking on a dressage career.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on January 31, 2013, 12:37:08 AM
Looks great! I can't figure out what that red, white and black thing is on the roof, though.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on January 31, 2013, 07:42:04 AM
It is meant to be an umbrella but I will do some more work on it. There is quite a bit of 'tidying up' to do on this building - the pictures reveal some horrors (the pictures that I didn't post!)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on January 31, 2013, 07:50:17 AM
I take my hat off to you, Pengy.
Excellent modelling :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on January 31, 2013, 08:14:40 AM
Excellent - lovely job! Nice pics too.

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on January 31, 2013, 08:29:57 AM
Hi  Pengy,   

Great effects eee your having some fun  experimenting   ;)  i  too  wondered  like Mick   what the item   was on the roof  at first  it appeared  to me to  be a giant  Santa hat  :smiley-laughing: look forward to seeing more pizzeria  pictures   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 08, 2013, 09:19:06 PM
Gone back to the Art Gallery as I was not happy with the dim light on the top floor and I also wanted to have a crack at illuminating the sign. To do all of this meant dismantling the building - so I took the opportunity to replace the conventional LEDs with SMDs and replace the original wiring with Kynar.

It was a bit of a challenge keeping the blue light between the sign and the top floor and also illuminating the sign. The issue with the sign is that there are a number of struts on its inside so that restricts the light. I may experiment with putting some tin foil inside the sign to reflect the light better.

In the image the top floor is bright white LEDs (they look blue but this is because of the colour temperature)
The second floor is warm white. The brownish tinge is caused by the smoked glass.
The first floor is a warm white LED (made white by the street lamp outside?) and the Dan Flavin room (a tribute to one of my favourite artists) has a pink LED. I wanted to put a light sculpture in this room but would have needed molecular sized LEDs!
The ground floor is bright white.

I am very impressed with the 1206 SMD resistors - have saved a lot of space.

There is an exhibition at the Haymarket Gallery in town that I hope to go to - so be prepared for even more wackiness in my buildings as a result!

http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/venues/hayward-gallery/exhibitions (http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/venues/hayward-gallery/exhibitions)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/75d6d043-aba9-48a4-836a-a77c20e1e818_zps5e619652.jpg)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on February 08, 2013, 09:30:58 PM
That looks superb, really superb, it has been a while since I was stumped for words but you have managed it  ;)

 :admiration: John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Caz on February 08, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
I'd hate to have your electricity bill with all those lights on in the building, but what the heck, the result is stunning.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Oldman on February 08, 2013, 09:48:46 PM
 :greatpicturessign:

You are taking building lighting to a new level :envy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on February 08, 2013, 09:52:14 PM
Fantastic work - Quinntopia has a rival :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on February 08, 2013, 10:36:07 PM
And I'm fretting over a few yard and street lamps!

Really very nice work.

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 08, 2013, 10:37:59 PM
Your art gallery is itself a work of art.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 08, 2013, 10:46:53 PM
Hi Pengy, 

Now that's really different in  building lights for our  hobby  :ngauge: :claphappy:

Superb your enjoying using the 1206  SMD's  &  giving us the  pleasure of seeing your work   ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on February 18, 2013, 07:42:07 AM
Hi

Adding a link here that may be interesting for those working on lighting projects. Please move it if it's in the wrong place.

http://www.phenoptix.com/collections/leds (http://www.phenoptix.com/collections/leds)

Hope it's useful, somehow!

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 18, 2013, 08:23:57 AM
Hi

Adding a link here that may be interesting for those working on lighting projects. Please move it if it's in the wrong place.

[url]http://www.phenoptix.com/collections/leds[/url] ([url]http://www.phenoptix.com/collections/leds[/url])

Hope it's useful, somehow!

Dave G



Many thanks   Dave good link  bookmarked it here   ;)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 18, 2013, 08:14:27 PM
I agree. Good link. I've bookmarked it, too. Cheers!  :beers:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 18, 2013, 08:40:22 PM
I've used phenoptix ad they are very good

also use Bright Components for SMD resistors and SMDs

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/brightcomponents (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/brightcomponents)

and

Modify for their sample packs of SMDs. After I made my first purchase, they gave me a code for 5 off my next purchase of 8 or more. So I bought some of their tweezers as well as more SMDs

http://www.modiify.com/store/ (http://www.modiify.com/store/)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 19, 2013, 08:31:50 PM
Jane, I was looking at the 1206s, what supply voltage are you using for yours and what resistor values?  Are you using one resistor per led or one per circuit (eg 4 leds in parallel with one 1K resistor on the +ve line in)
Could you remind me where you sourced the Kynar wire please
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 19, 2013, 10:01:26 PM
I am using 12v. I also use one of the on-line calculators for the resistor values as I am wiring some in series for the insides of the buildings. I use a range of resistors from 270r to 10k depending how bright I want the lights.

I tend to use one resistor for each SMD wired in parallel as I may want different brightnesses for each part of the building. I am interested to know whether it is best to use one LED per circuit or per LED (assuming I would be using the same resistor value)

I have started using the 1206 SMD resistors which are great space - savers.

I'm still very much a beginner where the electrics are concerned so all advice is greatly received. I've just invested in the Electronics for Dummies book as I'd to experiment with lights coming on and off at dusk, for example.

I'll check who it is I bought the Kynar from tomorrow when I'm on the computer. My convention is to use white for +ve and grey for -ve so that it is less obtrusive in buildings.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 19, 2013, 10:20:07 PM
Thanks Jane, I have 4 standard LEDs wired in parallel with a 1k resistor on the +ve line in and they handle 12v no probs.
Might get some of those 1206s as I have the same round building as you and the standard LEDs are too big
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 19, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
I used 12 SMDs in this part of the building. Two SMDs in series for each floor.  I cut a hole in the bottom of the rotunda to feed the wires into the other building where they are soldered to a small piece of veroboard. The street lights are also connected to the veroboard. The SMD resistors were key to being able to fit it all in easily.

There is a sample of some SMDs and resistors for you to try winging it's way to you tomorrow.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 19, 2013, 10:32:22 PM
The 1206  are big compared to the 0603's Lawrence   :D although you will  need abit of practice soldering them possibly   ;) i've started to use them   on  strip   boards from  DCC  concepts   looking for a source of  vereboard or  twin track  boards the same or slimmer width  (5mm)   cutting veroboard is not my idea of  fun as any tools i  use it's either hard work  or blunts them  for fun  also  the dust given  off  using a disc  isnt pleasant so to have a  source of  ready made  PCB  boards   5mm   wide  as the  DCC  concepts ones would be ideal although at a   more economical cost.   
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 19, 2013, 10:58:09 PM
Thanks Jane, so I guess you are using the vero board for 2 common rails, one +ve supply and one -ve return, is that correct?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 19, 2013, 11:15:43 PM
Thanks Jane, so I guess you are using the vero board for 2 common rails, one +ve supply and one -ve return, is that correct?

Yes - that is correct. I have used scissors to cut the veroboard - can be a bit 'hit or miss' though. I use a dust mask when cutting it with the Dremel. I'll try and get a picture up tomorrow of some of this.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on February 20, 2013, 01:09:21 AM
There will be other Chinese companies sell these but some are still celebrating their New Year and their websites are not accessable for the time being.

I bought a couple of these to try out and the beauty of this company is everything is worldwide free postage, however there is often a two to three week wait for delivery so some forward planning is called for.

http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Diy-Prototype-Paper-Pcb-Universal-Experiment-Matrix-Circuit-Board-5x7cm-p-51839.html (http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Diy-Prototype-Paper-Pcb-Universal-Experiment-Matrix-Circuit-Board-5x7cm-p-51839.html)

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 20, 2013, 02:08:51 AM
Forgive me being an electronics numpty here, but can you explain a bit further on the use of that circuit board please? I'd really find that helpful. :)

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: martink on February 20, 2013, 03:22:38 AM
Yes - that is correct. I have used scissors to cut the veroboard - can be a bit 'hit or miss' though. I use a dust mask when cutting it with the Dremel. I'll try and get a picture up tomorrow of some of this.

I use a lot of veroboard of all shapes and sizes for my electronics stuff, and I find the easiest way to cut it is with a junior hacksaw directly along a row of holes.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 20, 2013, 07:04:29 AM
This is where I get my veroboard - very quick delivery

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110773926039?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110773926039?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

And the Kynar (there may well be places where it is cheaper). Again, delivery is very quick.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190775032069?var=490123715639&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190775032069?var=490123715639&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

I've taken apart the Art Gallery so you can see the wiring. I tend to have longer wires than I need in case so as not to put strain on the joints. The SMD resistors are in the black heatshrink. Pink and white leads go to the power supply.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8625_zps41d79853.jpg)

This is a piece of veroboard that I had used before and that I am cleaning for re-use - I might also file down the edges so it looks neater (with dremel). I am still not confident with my soldering, so I leave an empty track in the middle in case of overspill.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8628_zpsfee09ef8.jpg)



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 20, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Forgive me being an electronics numpty here, but can you explain a bit further on the use of that circuit board please? I'd really find that helpful. :)

 :thankyousign:

Jon
If you see Pengys picture above, the board has copper strips and is pre drilled for components, you put the component in the opposite side and solder the legs to the copper strip, you have to make sure, if you are building more complex circuits, that you cut through the copper strips to make isolating sections.  But as Jane is just using it as power distribution there is no need to do this, one strip for +ve and one for -ve

As for cutting the board, I picked up a fine toothed saw at a show a couple of years ago and I find that excellent for cutting such things
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 20, 2013, 11:22:02 AM
Thanks! Makes a lot more sense now - particularly the bit about cutting the copper strip for more complex circuits. Very helpful indeed!  :NGF:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 20, 2013, 11:29:48 AM


And the Kynar (there may well be places where it is cheaper). Again, delivery is very quick.

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190775032069?var=490123715639&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190775032069?var=490123715639&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url])



I have an old telephone extension lead, I think I will try that.  I have stripped some of it already and used the wire for a motor connection in a loco and it seems to handle the v & A so it should be fine for LEDs
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 20, 2013, 08:45:39 PM
Have soldered another batch of SMDs. I find I can only solder about 15 at a time else I lose concentration a bit

The pictures are not brilliant and the solder is not as grey looking as it appears on some of the pictures

This is the most vital part of the whole exercise - a blob of Blu-tack on a bit of sandpaper. This holds the SMD well.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8632_zps6fae0651.jpg)

Apply some flux and touch each of the edges with the soldering iron (that has a small blob of solder on the tip). I use a very fine pair of tweezers to hold the SMD to the Blu-tak

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8633_zps4ee5852a.jpg)

The pre-tinned wires are attached by the same technique (this SMD is going to be connected to another SMD, hence the purple wire)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8634_zps25681a3e.jpg)

The SMD resistor is soldered into place using the same technique - it is then covered with heatshrink. I've been soldering them to the -ve side.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8635_zps30df2e26.jpg)

And the final result. I have deliberately linked a bright white and a warm white as they will be lighting different cubicles (and this is nothing to do with the fact that I got the strips of LEDs muddled up :-[)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8636_zps0ff11951.jpg)







Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 20, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Brilliant  pictures Pengy  &  well  explained   :) ......  not  tried the SMD  resistors in  the ''wire'' yet but i  can see it being very useful especially  in  DCC   installs   wish   i'd have used them  in  fitting ditch  lights to  several of my locos not sure but i   might have  some more to do  ;) 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on February 20, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
I have never given blue tack a thought for holding the SMD down, it also has the advantage of raising it up for easier access  :thumbsup:

Great pictures and explanation, I will try your blue tack method at the weekend as I am busy till then  >:(

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 21, 2013, 06:06:26 AM
The Blue Tack idea is a cracker.  :hmmm: So simple and so obvious, but not thought of!  :doh:

Will definitely be using that. I've got some Scalescenes kits to build and light and I was looking at the idea of hooking up LEDs with Fibre optic and DCC decoders to control the verious lights independently (for example lights on downstairs during early evening, then upstairs later on and then off completely for night time...).
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 21, 2013, 06:13:14 AM
The Blue Tack idea is a cracker.  :hmmm: So simple and so obvious, but not thought of!  :doh:

Will definitely be using that. I've got some Scalescenes kits to build and light and I was looking at the idea of hooking up LEDs with Fibre optic and DCC decoders to control the verious lights independently (for example lights on downstairs during early evening, then upstairs later on and then off completely for night time...).
Very interested in this. I've not ventured into DCC yet (because of the expense) but have been thinking about having some of the lights switching on and off.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 21, 2013, 06:20:16 AM
I bought a five-pack of TCS FL4 decoders from DCC Supplies ages ago with this intention. The idea is to hook up four LEDs using a piece of veroboard to a decoder and a set of resistors, hook up a number of fibre optic cables to each LED as per an earlier tutorial on fitting lights to coaches and then running the fibre optics into buildings such as a set of terrace houses to provide a controllable way of lighting each building differently...

Trouble is, like many people I'm full of good intentions, but my work and the baby eat into the time needed to achieve these things!  :doh:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: quinntopia on February 21, 2013, 08:17:10 AM
Wow! How did I miss this thread! So I've just gone done reading through from the beginning and I'm inspired!  Excellent work Pengy!  I love seeing your photos because I recognize so much of the same process!  Its a really interesting learning experience as well!  I love the gas station sign and am really curious how you did it (I may have missed your explanation).  Doing proper looking lighted signs is a personal priority for me!

I am also amazed at your patience in soldering SMD's! I gave up on that and now just buy packs of them from LED Baron (on eBay, from Germany).
Speaking of which, yes, I also use Everest (on eBay).  Also, for LED strips, I am in love with this LED strips:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMD-3528-LED-Strip-Lights-Lamp-Warm-White-300-LEDs-12V-Car-Cabinet-/170773201799?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item27c2e04387 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMD-3528-LED-Strip-Lights-Lamp-Warm-White-300-LEDs-12V-Car-Cabinet-/170773201799?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item27c2e04387)
They have loads of them in different color tones too.  Other than cutting them into a sets of 3 LED's, all you need to do is add your 12v DC power and solder your leads onto the strip and piece of cake (don't order the 'waterproof' versions as I did, these are a huge pain to work with as they are coated in an annoying coat of clear rubber).

One of the reasons I've moved to the LED strips is I've found them more reliable than my original approach (which was similar to what you started with I think: 3mm LED's wired in series usually with 100 to 120ohm resistor) as I've noticed that several of these have failed over the years (which could be a variery of things...overload of some sort? Poor soldering? Cheap resistors/LED's?  Improper wattage on the resistors? etc...).  I decided that if I do need more 3mm LED's and resistors that I will spend more and get higher quality than the super cheap bunches you can get from China.  Same for the resistors (I now use more 1/2 watt resistors than 1/4 watt...and never use the cheap resistors that are often given away with LED's).  For now, the cheap LED strip 'rolls' from China have been bullet proof and simple.

Your philosophy on interior details is spot on.  First, artisan or mass produced interior furnishings in N Scale is not cheap when you consider the cost of outfitting a building and - the real tragedy - is that you can't usually tell if its a $5.00 set of chairs and a table, or some leftover scraps of plasticard and foam core (as we call it over here)!

Anyway, great stuff, and like I said, really inspiring me to get back to some more modelling!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 21, 2013, 09:15:59 AM

Speaking of which, yes, I also use Everest (on eBay).  Also, for LED strips, I am in love with this LED strips:
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMD-3528-LED-Strip-Lights-Lamp-Warm-White-300-LEDs-12V-Car-Cabinet-/170773201799?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item27c2e04387[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMD-3528-LED-Strip-Lights-Lamp-Warm-White-300-LEDs-12V-Car-Cabinet-/170773201799?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item27c2e04387[/url])
They have loads of them in different color tones too.  Other than cutting them into a sets of 3 LED's,


Is it clear where to cut them into sections and can you have sections of any number or is it just 3?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 21, 2013, 10:10:59 AM
Thanks Quinntopia, most of the ideas and techniques were shamelessly poached from your blog and also Sumida Crossing blog to a lesser extent. I love what you have done with the 5th Avenue building - this is the main reason why I have decided to light my buildings. My modelling skills are not yet up to cutting the buildings, as you have done with 5th Avenue, - it is hard enough for me to cut out a square of paper!

I prefer to use the pre-wired strips, if I can, but sometimes the lights are not in the right place!

One of the difficulties in buying LEDs is that I reckon some companies buy them from China and then stick a few quid on the price to fool us into thinking they are higher quality stuff. So i don't really know how to identify a higher quality product. All advice gratefully received.

I'd like to get a red flashing light on the top of the buildings but would like the flash rate to be different on the buildings - not sure how to do this yet. I don't want the lights to flash at the same time.

I also want to make some floodlights for my tennis court - still working out how to do this and also getting the fencing right.

The sign for the gas station was made of a frame of square plastic tubing, covered with plasticard. There were two 0603 taped inside. I originally used waterslide transfer paper for the details on the sign but had a bit of a problem in that the bright light highlighted a slightly granular nature to the printing so went back to using photopaper for it. The sign is a bit chunky but many of them are in real life.

I want to get better at illuminated signs but I think this will depend on how chunky the light source is and how well it can be diffused (any ideas?). Fibre optic cables may be the answer but I'm still to experiment with these (Nick has sent me some samples to try)

I'm working on this building at the moment

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-Floor-Department-Store-Blue-Kato-23-433A-N-scale-/121029229163?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c2de77a6b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-Floor-Department-Store-Blue-Kato-23-433A-N-scale-/121029229163?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c2de77a6b)

I bought it second hand over a year ago and it has the top missing. I also have a new one to work on.

Then I will have a go at the Sankei car-park - the challenge here is the sort of dim lighting that they have in these places

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-75-Parking-Car-Garage-1-150-N-scale-/200879524289?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec55a49c1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sankei-MP03-75-Parking-Car-Garage-1-150-N-scale-/200879524289?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec55a49c1)

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Caz on February 21, 2013, 10:15:27 AM
The Blue Tack idea is a cracker.  :hmmm: So simple and so obvious, but not thought of!  :doh:

Will definitely be using that. I've got some Scalescenes kits to build and light and I was looking at the idea of hooking up LEDs with Fibre optic and DCC decoders to control the verious lights independently (for example lights on downstairs during early evening, then upstairs later on and then off completely for night time...).

All my buildings have separate lighting circuits so that I can phase the lighting, shops, houses downstairs, bedrooms, street lighting, station buildings, station general lighting, industrial buildings, this way when I run the layout using a R&R Train Controller schedule, all the lights come on and go off at varying times, creates quite a good effect.  Bedroom lights come on, then the downstairs come on, bedrooms go off, house lights go off, railway and industrial buildings come on, a little later shop windows light up and so on throughout the day of the schedule.

PS ask Pengy where she got the blue tack tip.   ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 21, 2013, 10:32:47 AM
Jane. you might find brass tube the answer for your floodlights  ;) and if you haven't bought the Sankei car park yet have a look at the scalscenes offering as an alternative
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 21, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
I did look at the Scalescenes but didn't want half relief and the Sankei was more the style I was looking for. Will look into the brass tubing - thanks. There was also the Aoshima car-park but it is too big for my layout (and too expensive particularly when the postage is factored in).

If i am going to have lights going on and off, then I need to think about the technology now before doing any more buildings - I may have too many buildings with too many floors to do this within my budget. I have just acquired an Electronics for Dummies book so I'll see what I can learn from that - it may be that only one or two buildings will be switching on and off, particularly as my layout is going to be a late evening winter layout.

The Blu tack tip came from many including Upnick, Whiteswan and also from my own research on the internet - I do not claim it to be my idea. Ideally, I'd like to have a jig like the one that Bruce Piggott uses in his vid for holding the SMDs steady.

Similarly the techniques for soldering the SMDs I have also poached but also thanks to forum members and the various tutorials on Youtube for their help too.

I forgot to mention, that I also gain inspiration from the Great Scaper - some of his work is stunning

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=167033 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=167033)


Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 21, 2013, 02:25:45 PM
The Blue Tack idea is a cracker.  :hmmm: So simple and so obvious, but not thought of!  :doh:

Will definitely be using that. I've got some Scalescenes kits to build and light and I was looking at the idea of hooking up LEDs with Fibre optic and DCC decoders to control the verious lights independently (for example lights on downstairs during early evening, then upstairs later on and then off completely for night time...).

All my buildings have separate lighting circuits so that I can phase the lighting, shops, houses downstairs, bedrooms, street lighting, station buildings, station general lighting, industrial buildings, this way when I run the layout using a R&R Train Controller schedule, all the lights come on and go off at varying times, creates quite a good effect.  Bedroom lights come on, then the downstairs come on, bedrooms go off, house lights go off, railway and industrial buildings come on, a little later shop windows light up and so on throughout the day of the schedule.

PS ask Pengy where she got the blue tack tip.   ;)

Perhaps you could start your own lighting thread Caz and show us some of your techniques for lighting & control, I'm sure that between you & Jane you will be able to teach all of us luddites these fancy new ways  :D
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 21, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
In reference to various lights going on and of at in various places and at various times, it doesn't have to be done through DCC - it can be done by using 'old fashioned' electronics such as PICAXE chips or even 'so cheap they give 'em away' 555 timers.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 21, 2013, 08:21:01 PM
I am now working on the Blue Kato department store building

It is six storey but it comes apart into 3 blocks of two storeys

I have painted the insides black with two coats of paint.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8637_zps19c8c471.jpg)

This is the top floor - another call centre, I just know how much you all love call centres! The black tape that Justintime sent me is brilliant for holding and positioning the figures. I ordered 300 figures from China and this time they are rubbish - they even have some HO ones in with them. Sometimes the figures are well painted  - it is just so random.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8639_zps95ac7c62.jpg)

The top floor is lit (with a strip of 3 LEDS)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8651_zps59313823.jpg)

In case it helps, these are the tools that I use for my building interiors - I was having a tidy up

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8653_zps505de553.jpg)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on February 21, 2013, 08:25:09 PM
Oi! That's my make up kit :o
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on February 21, 2013, 08:26:01 PM
Good stuff!  :greatpicturessign:

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 21, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Brilliant, as usual, Pengy!!  :thumbsup:

A possible source of dirt cheap flasher circuits for your lights on tall buildings:

www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm (http://www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm)

An Aussie firm who supply stuff for schools, hence some of the kits come in packs of 4, which makes them even cheaper, and there are, I believe, special rates for overseas orders. They come supplied with standard LEDs, but it would be a simple matter to substitute LEDs of your choice on extension wires with the circuit under the board. Flash rates are adjustable, too.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 21, 2013, 08:31:33 PM
In reference to various lights going on and of at in various places and at various times, it doesn't have to be done through DCC - it can be done by using 'old fashioned' electronics such as PICAXE chips or even 'so cheap they give 'em away' 555 timers.

I'm interested in the circuit for this.

Thanks for the link to the kitstop website
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 21, 2013, 08:57:46 PM
More excellent neat work  Pengy  ;)   

What type of  floodlights are you looking for  to   enhance your tennis court have  you any pictures please of the prototype.

 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 21, 2013, 08:59:17 PM
Brilliant, as usual, Pengy!!  :thumbsup:

A possible source of dirt cheap flasher circuits for your lights on tall buildings:

[url=http://www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm]www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm[/url])

An Aussie firm who supply stuff for schools, hence some of the kits come in packs of 4, which makes them even cheaper, and there are, I believe, special rates for overseas orders. They come supplied with standard LEDs, but it would be a simple matter to substitute LEDs of your choice on extension wires with the circuit under the board. Flash rates are adjustable, too.


Many thanks Bealman   several   good buys there  bookmarked here too when   i  have some spare cash  i'll look at getting some items from them.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 21, 2013, 09:06:35 PM
Most electronic companies sell timing circuits of all descriptions. Here are three more Aussie ones with timer projects:

www.ozitronics.com (http://www.ozitronics.com)

www.jaycar.com.au (http://www.jaycar.com.au)

www.oatleyelectronics.com (http://www.oatleyelectronics.com)

I've bought stuff from all of these in the past and it's all been good.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 21, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
Time for another numpty question....  :dunce:

I know I need to add resistors between a DCC decoder and an LED. They should go on the anode, shouldn't they (which is the +ve termnal) - does the +ve terminal go to the coloured wire on a decoder (pink, brown, purple, green) or the common blue?  :doh:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 22, 2013, 12:12:49 AM
Hi Jon,,

Yes the resistor goes to ve+ Anode

It goes on the blue wire (common +)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Caz on February 22, 2013, 02:29:06 PM
Hi Jon,,

Yes the resistor goes to ve+ Anode

It goes on the blue wire (common +)

Using the blue wire (common positive) for the resistor on a decoder only holds good if you only have 1 light.  If you have 2 or more functions to use then doing that would make them all share the same resistor which is not always what is wanted.

For example, I often use different value resistors for loco lights to loco cab to coach lights, likewise if you have electronic couplers or smoke generators then you don't need any sort of resistor in the blue common positive lead.

For decoders I was told that the recommended way is to always put the resistor on the other coloured leads, white, yellow, green, purple etc so that only that circuit will use it and leave the common positive as just the common supply. 

If you're going to use multiple functions on the same decoder to switch on and off different circuits of building lighting then the more circuits you turn on, the dimer the others will get and vice versa if you just use the blue wire for your resistor.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 22, 2013, 07:17:42 PM
Pengy kindly sent me a couple of bits (coinciding with another 100 leds I ordered from http://stores.ebay.co.uk/bright-components?_rdc=1 (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/bright-components?_rdc=1)  super discounts on shipping so put in a big order  :thumbsup: and fast turnround)
I wired up a warm white with a 470 Ohm resistor and ramped the voltage up to13v DC, it was no longer warm white at this point  :goggleeyes: and I only kept it there for 10 -15 seconds.  I was surprised it held it so well with only a 1/4 W resistor, how long it would last like that I don't know ( might be an experiment for the weekend  :D ) and it would be interesting to see if the resistor or led gave up the ghost first.

The gold contacts on the led's made tinning them a dawdle probably less than a second with the iron and the wire took very easily to the tinned end.

Recommend these to all for a variety of applications, even I could afford some in my impoverished state and it is a nice distraction from the regular layout stuff  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 22, 2013, 08:10:32 PM
Saved that as a favourite seller on E-Bay thanks! Just need to figure out what I need want to order!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 22, 2013, 08:17:35 PM
I have also been using Bright Components, highly recommended - bit more expensive than China and didn't think they did warm white. I read somewhere about using Tamiya Acrylic Clear Orange X-26 change them from bright white to warm white. Will be interested the results of your experiment Lawrence. I've set my power supply to 7.5v now.

Small amount of progress today - the Boardroom.

I was only going to light this one room on this floor but the wall to the left is tapered do it looks as though it is not straight. So I will need to light the other half of this floor. I have also discovered a small crack in the windows of the floor below (the perils of buying second hand) so the best part of this floor will be unlit.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8669_zps604e8c1c.jpg)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 22, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
No they don't do warm white Jane, but their turnround time was exceptional! 100 led's & 150 resistors packed, posted and delivered in 24 hours for 99p!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 22, 2013, 09:28:33 PM
I'm going to get some of the Tamiya paint tomorrow from the Art Shop to convert the bright whites into warm white. Will report back.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 22, 2013, 10:19:52 PM
This is a great thread - cutting edge stuff! Very informative, but entertaining, too! :read:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 22, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
Hi Jon,,

Yes the resistor goes to ve+ Anode

It goes on the blue wire (common +)

Using the blue wire (common positive) for the resistor on a decoder only holds good if you only have 1 light.  If you have 2 or more functions to use then doing that would make them all share the same resistor which is not always what is wanted.

For example, I often use different value resistors for loco lights to loco cab to coach lights, likewise if you have electronic couplers or smoke generators then you don't need any sort of resistor in the blue common positive lead.

For decoders I was told that the recommended way is to always put the resistor on the other coloured leads, white, yellow, green, purple etc so that only that circuit will use it and leave the common positive as just the common supply. 

If you're going to use multiple functions on the same decoder to switch on and off different circuits of building lighting then the more circuits you turn on, the dimer the others will get and vice versa if you just use the blue wire for your resistor.

Hi  Caz,   

I   use different  resistors    on  each  function  as you mention,  the advice i  gave Jon  was in response to his  request.   

I  am going to  use  resistors   in the  red /black   wires  in  sone  HO   loco  installs  later this month to try  varying   effects  :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 23, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
I wired up the warm white led with a 1k resistor and whacked 13.25v through it (apparently that is what my old H&M controller kicks out!) for about 2 hours with no ill effects or signs of overheating from the led or resistor, also using the 1k meant it wasn't over driving and was still a warmish white
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 23, 2013, 09:44:19 PM
Interesting result in your experiment... but isn't it Murphy's Law or somebody's that says when you go to the trouble of putting it into your building and installing it onto your layout, then it will decide it doesn't like 13.5V.......  :-\ :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on February 23, 2013, 09:49:35 PM
Is a 1KΩ resistor sufficient for DCC voltage with a 2 Amp DCC system? I have an NCE Power Cab at home and I'm wondering what are the correct resistors to use. I can remember V=IR from my schoolboy physics (more years ago that I care to admit!) but I'm not sure whether I should be using the target voltage (e.g. 9V) with the 2A or the original voltage from the DCC system for the calculation?

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 23, 2013, 10:09:06 PM
Successfully conducted trials using the Tamiya Clear Orange X-26 paint to convert bright white SMDs into warm white SMDs

The original where I mistakenly connected a bright white (on the left) to a warn white

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8636_zps0ff11951.jpg)

with one coat of paint on the bright white

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8670_zpsfe2eef31.jpg)

With two coats of paint on the bright white

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8672_zps7a4c3d9b.jpg)

It would seem that one and a half coats would be ideal!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 23, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
Jon - try this http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz (http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz) you can put your own values in and it will calculate the rest for you

Jane, was that on 7.5v with a 470R?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 23, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Great to see all these experimental techniques coming up with the goods - real engineering!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 23, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
Hi Pengy,   

The SMD's look   good   ;) nowi  know what to do with the bright white  SMD's in  my  box   :) not sure if you already do   but if you  dip  the wired up  SMD's  into the  orange paint it would  not only  evenly  coat  it  but would seal  the joins of the soldering  strengthening things a little more  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 23, 2013, 10:30:57 PM
Jon - try this [url]http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz[/url] ([url]http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz[/url]) you can put your own values in and it will calculate the rest for you

Jane, was that on 7.5v with a 470R?


On 9v this time with a 470R and both lights connected in series. The camera has made its own adjustments regarding exposure but the colours in the image are a reasonable match to what I was seeing.

Interesting that your old H&M controller whacked out 13.5V. Before I got my Maplins power supplies, I was using the 12V output of an old Triang controller that was my late fathers. I had four 0603 SMDs connected in series and they all lit up (which isn't supposed to happen with 12V). So it must have been giving out more than 12V.

Thanks for another useful piece of information Nick, I will dip the wired up SMDs into the orange paint.

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 23, 2013, 10:55:07 PM
Yep, one of the sections of my layout uses an old Triang P5 controller dating from 1962 (it came with my Christmas present that year, which, surprise, surprise, was a Triang train set! Britannia with smoke and three pullman carriages, actually).  I don't use it as a controller, simply a power supply for hand helds and other stuff. I just went out to the garage and whacked the meter across it, and it's reading 16.57V across the 12V uncontrolled output!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 24, 2013, 11:23:26 AM
Hi Pengy,   

The SMD's look   good   ;) nowi  know what to do with the bright white  SMD's in  my  box   :) not sure if you already do   but if you  dip  the wired up  SMD's  into the  orange paint it would  not only  evenly  coat  it  but would seal  the joins of the soldering  strengthening things a little more  ;)

What if you need to desolder a led though Nick, the paint would probably burn and God only knows what kind of noxious fumes that would give off, granted not a huge amount but I'd prefer not to be exposed to them  :hmmm: (which is why I always advocate using colophony free solder).  You then have the hassle of trying to clean up very small cables to replace the led.  Having soldered a couple now I have to say the connection seems very robust, I dropped one twice yesterday  :-[ and inadvertently smacked it off the bench a couple of times   :doh: but to no ill effect.  You'll just have to keep practicing your soldering skills  ;D

I was doing a bit of reading on leds last night and it would appear that modern leds like the smd's are designed to fail to short circuit condition when over driven, this would explain your results Jane, when you had that one in the middle go  :thumbsup:

Might get out there today again but the Scotland v Ireland Six Nations game is on, mind you that could be over after 20 mins  :(
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 24, 2013, 11:45:17 AM
Hi Pengy,   

The SMD's look   good   ;) nowi  know what to do with the bright white  SMD's in  my  box   :) not sure if you already do   but if you  dip  the wired up  SMD's  into the  orange paint it would  not only  evenly  coat  it  but would seal  the joins of the soldering  strengthening things a little more  ;)

What if you need to desolder a led though Nick, the paint would probably burn and God only knows what kind of noxious fumes that would give off, granted not a huge amount but I'd prefer not to be exposed to them  :hmmm: (which is why I always advocate using colophony free solder).  You then have the hassle of trying to clean up very small cables to replace the led.  Having soldered a couple now I have to say the connection seems very robust, I dropped one twice yesterday  :-[ and inadvertently smacked it off the bench a couple of times   :doh: but to no ill effect.  You'll just have to keep practicing your soldering skills  ;D

I was doing a bit of reading on leds last night and it would appear that modern leds like the smd's are designed to fail to short circuit condition when over driven, this would explain your results Jane, when you had that one in the middle go  :thumbsup:

Might get out there today again but the Scotland v Ireland Six Nations game is on, mind you that could be over after 20 mins  :(

MASMDBBL  is now   formed   :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:   for those not in the know  MASMDBBL   is  short for  Movement against SMD bashing by Lawrence  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

Seriously though  i  agree fumes could be given off  if a  soldering iron  is appplied on the  paint   but  given   most  soldering joins are good if  you  flux  & use a clean   tip  of the iron  you shouldnt need to replace them  :thumbsup:  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: fisherman on February 24, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
wonder if  nail  varnish  would   work   better  than paint..

 oops,..###

NO.. I  don't  use  it  myself...
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 24, 2013, 12:04:04 PM
wonder if  nail  varnish  would   work   better  than paint..

 oops,..###

NO.. I  don't  use  it  myself...

Must admit i reccomend a  thin coat of  CA    over the joins just as added security, never had to desolder an  LED/SMD  if i  have changed lighting always  replaced all  lights completley  to dimmer or different effects.  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Oldman on February 24, 2013, 12:13:06 PM
wonder if  nail  varnish  would   work   better  than paint..

 oops,..###

NO.. I  don't  use  it  myself...

Trying NOT to picture you standing looking at a display of nail varnish trying to decide on the right colour. :uneasy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 24, 2013, 02:00:09 PM
Nail varnish is a lot more expensive than the Tamiya paint though
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 24, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
All of these things are nasty, though - particularly cyano acetate glue (the name says it all, cyanide), but I think in these small amounts we should be Ok. I've been using lead based solder all me life and I'm still here (touch wood), but nevertheless I must say SAFETY FIRST at all times, and it is right to give thought to preventative measures.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 24, 2013, 09:14:53 PM
I posted these in my shed layout thread but thought I would pop them in here to as they are to do with lighting

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w308/lawrence1961/shed/station1_zps25bc0607.jpg)

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w308/lawrence1961/shed/station2_zpse6f34934.jpg)

2 bright whites with a warm white in the middle to break up the brightness and make it look at little less stark
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 24, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
Are these  LED's or SMD's Lawrence  out of interest ? 

They look good & the contrast  of  both  types adds realism    ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on February 24, 2013, 09:42:15 PM
SMDs Nick, drilled holes in the roof and sat them above the holes, wires held down with hot glue and made little lamp covers, painted black to sit above the leds and prevent light bleed.  Next time I'm out I'll get some pictures with the roof off.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on February 24, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
Nicely detailed, and nicely visible, thanks to the lighting.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on February 24, 2013, 10:03:06 PM
Looks terrific Lawrence, the mix of white and warm white works well. Keep the pictures coming!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on February 24, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
SMDs Nick, drilled holes in the roof and sat them above the holes, wires held down with hot glue and made little lamp covers, painted black to sit above the leds and prevent light bleed.  Next time I'm out I'll get some pictures with the roof off.

Now you've started with SMD's Lawrence  you'll be hooked  on them i  can assure you  :claphappy: but for their size they are so rewarding  in  space  saving & the effects possible.

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Geoff on February 24, 2013, 10:25:10 PM
The lighting looks very realistic Lawrence.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix
Post by: upnick on March 13, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
Hi Pengy

you have made a great start  :thumbsup:

i lost a load with the little blighters pinging off in all directions
until i also started using double sided tape to hold them down  :doh:

this is the type of wire that you need

[url]http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml[/url] ([url]http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml[/url])

other suppliers are available

all the best

dave  :beers:


Hi  Dave,   

Have you tried this wire ?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: davieb on March 13, 2013, 09:12:40 AM
Hi Pengy

you have made a great start  :thumbsup:

i lost a load with the little blighters pinging off in all directions
until i also started using double sided tape to hold them down  :doh:

this is the type of wire that you need

[url]http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml[/url] ([url]http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml[/url])

other suppliers are available

all the best

dave  :beers:


Hi  Dave,   

Have you tried this wire ?


Yes i use the 0.25mm wire with no trouble

it does take a little more heat to burn off the coating than others i have used
and as you get over 1KM of it on a roll i don't think i will run out soon  :claphappy:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on March 13, 2013, 08:33:48 PM
Hi Pengy

you have made a great start  :thumbsup:

i lost a load with the little blighters pinging off in all directions
until i also started using double sided tape to hold them down  :doh:

this is the type of wire that you need

[url]http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml[/url] ([url]http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/255045.xml[/url])

other suppliers are available

all the best

dave  :beers:


Hi  Dave,   

Have you tried this wire ?


Yes i use the 0.25mm wire with no trouble

it does take a little more heat to burn off the coating than others i have used
and as you get over 1KM of it on a roll i don't think i will run out soon  :claphappy:

dave  :thumbsup:


Cheers  Dave   :thumbsup:   

1KM  would do a lot of lights  in buildings / locos   :smiley-laughing: might go for the  thinner 35 /36 SWG  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Caz on March 13, 2013, 08:54:13 PM
That's what I use on all my SMD's, the 35/36SWG, it's more flexible.   ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on March 14, 2013, 08:32:51 AM
That's what I use on all my SMD's, the 35/36SWG, it's more flexible.   ;)

Yes Caz   allows  you to fit  in  the smallest areas   ;)   not sure what i  use  now with  N  gauge motor wind wire but it must be near 35/36
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on March 14, 2013, 10:26:34 AM
A quick query here... is this wire at the gauge you are discussing... is it multi-strand conductor, or very thin solid core copper?

Sorry for a dumb question but I've been following this thread but had a few days off R&R.

George.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on March 14, 2013, 11:29:11 AM
A quick query here... is this wire at the gauge you are discussing... is it multi-strand conductor, or very thin solid core copper?

Sorry for a dumb question but I've been following this thread but had a few days off R&R.

George.


It is a single wire George but I am unsure whether it is copper or not and very very thin I posted this picture a while back and as well as the 3mm LED I placed a staple from a fairly standard small desk stapler to give an idea of scale.  As you can see the wire I was using here is 0.15mm thick  :o

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/Scotsoft/NGF/Projects/ddad09a8.jpg)

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on March 14, 2013, 11:41:44 AM
That's what I use on all my SMD's, the 35/36SWG, it's more flexible.   ;)
:o :o

I find 30 AWG a struggle, then again I have to strip it first like normal wire, its not the coated stuff
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on March 29, 2013, 03:15:56 AM
Hi Pengi, I was just replying to another post by neonoodle and I thought that, with your love of lighting up buildings, you might be interested in this too - a seven colour Led which cycles through red, green, blue, light blue, pink, white and yellow!!!

I'm sure you could devise a use for that on one of your excellent building projects!

It's the Aussie company Altronics:

www.altronics.com.au (http://www.altronics.com.au)

Catalogue numbers Z 0985, Z0986 and Z 0987. There are three because they each have different cycling times. The first cycles on a 0.24 second interval, the next a 2 second interval, and the last a 3.5 second interval.

Whoohoo! Pychedelic!  :laugh3:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on March 29, 2013, 04:52:53 AM
Already got some that do a slow change then speed up, slow down again.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Bealman PM me if you would like some sending. Don't think I'll use all 100 pieces
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on March 29, 2013, 06:02:35 AM
I love it! I know exactly where I can use a light like that! :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on March 29, 2013, 07:11:25 AM
Dirt cheap really AUD $8 for 100

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Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 02, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
Have been back working on this office block - so many issues with it that I lost my mojo a bit. I bought it second hand and the top was missing so added these signs. Still a bit of 'finishing' to do on them

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8696_zps00a507e8.jpg)

I have now lit four of the six floors - although they are parts of each floor. Two more floors to go and then done - yipee. Bad news is that I have another identical to do
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on April 02, 2013, 11:15:12 AM
Impressive, as usual, Pengi!

You're getting really good at this. When are you setting up an N Gauge Lighting Service?  :D

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on April 02, 2013, 12:18:55 PM
Flashing Lights would look good
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on April 02, 2013, 12:40:45 PM
Smashing bit of work there, Pengi :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on April 02, 2013, 02:39:11 PM
The signs look  superb  Jane  :)  how did you  create them  ?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 02, 2013, 04:13:20 PM
The signs were made from Plasticard with the 'adverts' on waterslide paper. The structure has a 'ceiling' of black paper to prevent light bleed through the top. I'm going to change the light source from warm white strips to a circle of the daylight SMD strips that I have just acquired.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on April 02, 2013, 09:50:54 PM
Looks great! I especially like the ad for Skyfall.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 02, 2013, 10:41:20 PM
Your kind comments have spurred me on to do more to this building. It was secondhand and there are some cracks in some of the window panes (which I did not notice in the picture when I bought it) Also some of the dividing walls are tapered - so it looks as though the walls are not straight - so needed to add additional walls  to hide this effect. So this building has not been much fun.

Still some work to do on the signs regarding light bleed. have replaced two strips of warm white with a strip of nine daylight SMDs which are arranged in a U shape. I bought a strip of 300 (which arrived very quickly) but they were waterproof (when I thought I had ordered non-waterproof). It is easy enough to remove the waterproof coating and better to remove it before cutting it into the strip of 3.

Slight bit of camera shake on these pictures - must remember to use the tripod

Top 3 floors + signs

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8706_zps1702aa08.jpg)

Library/corridor on floor 3
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8705_zps05bba73d.jpg)

Break out room on floor 4. The tubs with plants are pieces of cork. The earth was marked with a brown felt tip and then some scatter added
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8704_zpseecdfe35.jpg)

I moved the Board Room on floor 5 because of the tapered divider issue. Call centre on floor 6.
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8702_zps397492fd.jpg)

Building with 4 floors lit
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8701_zps5adeb63e.jpg)




Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on April 02, 2013, 10:45:01 PM
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on April 02, 2013, 10:57:39 PM
Some good ideas with the cork   &  scenics for  planters Jane  you  put a lot of detail  into your buildings excellent work    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 02, 2013, 11:19:09 PM
Thanks, I find that cork and Fab Foam (from Hobby Craft) are my most used materials for interiors. The black automotive tape that Justintime kindly sent me is brilliant for floors - the peeps and furniture stick really well.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Mustermark on April 03, 2013, 02:47:43 PM
Nice work Pengi.  I love the different uses of the rooms and the break room is superb.  I love the ads getting lit up too.  Top job!

I am currently building an office block (a replica of Nugent House in Reading - the old red concrete one) and I am inspired to try to light up some of the floors and have some only half lit.  So thanks for your posts!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 06, 2013, 07:14:59 PM
This building is pretty much finished - apart from correcting some light bleed at the bottom (as picked out by the photos). I have an identical building to light and I have learned at lot from doing this one - e.g. soldering inside a plastic building (I have a work-around for that on the next building so hope to avoid it)

The ground floor is a quality control area and floor 1 has the cabinets for the routers

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/PendythePendolino/DSC_8712_zpsc2b3a196.jpg)



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on April 06, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
I have nothing but admiration for what you can produce. Really Super Stuff!

No way a criticism and probably the photo but the top floor looks  'warmer' lit that the others that come over as a bit blue. Have you used different kit on that floor?

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Tank on April 06, 2013, 07:37:45 PM
Wow, that's superb!  Great detailing inside the building.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on April 06, 2013, 07:40:16 PM
As aways, superb piece of work.
You must have the patience of a saint to do all those fiddly bits  :angel:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 06, 2013, 07:54:15 PM
I have nothing but admiration for what you can produce. Really Super Stuff!

No way a criticism and probably the photo but the top floor looks  'warmer' lit that the others that come over as a bit blue. Have you used different kit on that floor?

Dave G

Thanks once again for your kind comments. This is a learning process.

Yes - the top floor is warm-white. It was partly an error but also wanted to break up the light colours  :whistle:

I'm not ordering any more warm white lights as I can use Tamiya X-26 to change white into warm white. And this will save me getting them muddled up  :-[(although I still have some warm white strips)

Most of the interiors are reasonably easy to do  - the worst bit is making chairs. You can always tell when my patience is running thin because I will dedicate a floor to a server room or network cabinets. This floor has the lights behind the cabinets with a few pin pricks to get the effect of individual lights.

Next building will be the Sankei car park. Quite looking forward to putting this one together.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on April 06, 2013, 08:01:12 PM
Cooler light will certainly look great in the car park.

Look forward to seeing that.

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on April 06, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
Fabulous work  Jane i  too admire your patience greatly  &  must try harder with my interiors of buildings  ;) also  find  my  Tamiya  Orange paint  to try  differing lighting effects keep  up the good work  cant wait to see  more  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on April 06, 2013, 08:56:29 PM
Astonishing :goggleeyes:
Quinntopia must be looking over his shoulder :)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on April 06, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Top stuff, as usual, Jane!  :thumbsup:

I love the computer room on the first floor! I was going to ask you how you did that, but you have pre-empted me above. It really looks authentic.

You are, without any doubt THE expert in this field.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on April 07, 2013, 06:44:51 AM
Thank you for the wonderful comments - I am still learning how to do this and refer regularly to Quinntopia'a blog.

http://www.quinntopia.com/ (http://www.quinntopia.com/)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on April 07, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
I am still learning how to do this and refer regularly to Quinntopia'a blog.

[url]http://www.quinntopia.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.quinntopia.com/[/url])


Hi  Jane,   

Looked at  Quinntopia's link   (now  bookmarked)    lots of  great ideas for buildings should keep  you busy for a while   :)

Shakey's  Pizza  has similar features to my  kitbash of  the Turret building & Gripps luggage from  DPM  kits. 

(http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii377/upnick/WORKBENCH%20PICTURES/d988de9d-927d-4e69-acbc-c0eb094e14e1_zps7934a3ef.jpg)
(http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii377/upnick/WORKBENCH%20PICTURES/grippsluggage_zps34076646.jpg)

(http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii377/upnick/WORKBENCH%20PICTURES/5c8c3ab6-8ec0-4a36-bf41-b435852830d9_zps5acd4492.jpg)

Now where did i  put my soldering iron  ?   :)

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 27, 2013, 12:04:14 AM
My attention has turned to this Kato High Rise Building (which I got used from eBay)

http://www.osbornsmodels.com/kato-23-438--dio-town-high-rise-building-c-11788-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/kato-23-438--dio-town-high-rise-building-c-11788-p.asp)

It has eight floors but it actually easier to fill than some of the other buildings - because the floors are all of the same design.

I decided to turn it into Pengi's Science Museum - so I can have floors that interest me - Rule 1  :P

This is the underside of one of the floors and it is the ceiling for another floor. I have used a strip of 6 SMDs. The celling is Fab Foam (FF) (from Hobbycraft) with holes for the lights cut out. Pressing the strip into the FF give indentations where the lights are to be cut out

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5207.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5207)

This is the 'Light Show' floor. I wanted to create the illusion of a lit panel behind the ticket desk. This was done by putting the lights at the back. I cut a hole in the 'pillar' on the left of the image so that I could fix a SMD (part of the strip) to shine through onto the sign.

The counter was a strip of FF with a strip of left over photo paper for the surface. The monitors are FF. The door on the right (leading into the exhibition) is black FF.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5205.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5205)

Part of a Concorde key ring (bought at a charity stall) is used on the Flight floor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5204.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5204)

This is the Space and Flight floors lit up

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5208.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5208)

The Quantum Mechanics and Trains floor. You may be able to make out the images similar to the 'Particle Zoo' app - always been interested in QM and sub-atomic particles, used to study them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5209.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5209)

The (science of) Bowie and history of Video Gaming floors. The sign on the roof is not yet attached. The Video Gaming floor has two 'rainbow' changing lights (courtesy of Trainsdownunder - many thanks!) to give a surreal effect.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5210.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5210)

The building by night - it does look better than this 'in real life'. The ground floor has still to be completed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5211.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5211)

The building by day. Still a bit of work to do on it. I used Microset and Microsol to help with the transfer - what great products they are as they help the transfer 'mould' to the pipework etc on the building.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5212.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5212)




Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on May 27, 2013, 12:33:55 AM
Pengi, that is AWESOME. Definitely my sort of museum... space, Bowie, quantum physics, flight AND trains!!! I could spend a whole week in that place!

As usual, your work borders on that of a genius. Triple thumbs up!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Incidentally, as soon as I saw it, it reminded me of the Conservatory of Music at the University of Tasmania in Hobart.... could almost be the same building!
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Your work is inspirational.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on May 27, 2013, 12:34:54 AM
Superb work, just a pleasure to look at  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on May 27, 2013, 01:24:38 AM
Great work and nice easy ideas to follow.

Thanks Colin
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on May 27, 2013, 08:08:07 AM
Hi Jane, 

As always  imaginative  modelling  :) with  lots of interest  many thanks for sharing it with us   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Tank on May 27, 2013, 09:53:59 AM
That looks great Pengi, very well done.  :)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on May 27, 2013, 09:57:54 AM
 :jawdropping: :admiration: :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on May 27, 2013, 10:06:09 AM
Fantastic!

Fabulous modelling Pengi!

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: quinntopia on May 27, 2013, 10:40:13 AM
Nice work Pengi!  I really enjoy all the thought you put into making each floor a different theme for your structure - and the 'science museum' is a great idea for this building as well!  Well done!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Mustermark on May 27, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
That's superb modelling Jane.  The lighting is great and I love your choice of exhibits. 

I love the Particle Zoo too.  I pestered my science teacher about quarks from the age of 11.  I also have a totally incomprehensible text book on Quantum Mechanics.  If I ever have a band, one of the candidate names for it would be Mark and the Quantum Mechanics (with apologies to Mike Rutherford).

That's a great idea for a building, so much to notice... I assume that's Pendolino in the train room.

I think it's also a fascinating insight into your mind!!!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 27, 2013, 05:19:34 PM

. . . If I ever have a band, one of the candidate names for it would be Mark and the Quantum Mechanics (with apologies to Mike Rutherford) . . .

:laughabovepost: - very clever!

Regarding Particle Zoo, they seem to have taken out the 'weak force' interactive in the newer vesions - which is a shame. I still have the previous version on my iPad 1 (as it is iOS 5.1.1). I think their description of the antineutron is hilarious "How can a neutral particle have an antimatter counterpart? Easy! The Antineutron is made up of antidown and antiup quarks, silly!" :laugh: :laugh:

That is an AGV (in NTV colours) in the Train room - representing the latest generation of high speed trains. There is also a steam train (shock!), Bittern, in the room but it is hidden by the ICE train poster - representing groundbreaking trains from a previous epoch.

Nearly had a Chemistry room, have pictures of DNA and the noble gases printed out but went for flight instead (as picked up the Concorde key ring model)

 :thankyousign: for all of the nice comments!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Christina on May 27, 2013, 05:45:04 PM
Can't get enough bowie :O I'd love to have a big enough layout to do a full city skyline.. oh man that would be good!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Greybeema on May 27, 2013, 07:01:08 PM
Great modelling Pengi...

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Mustermark on May 28, 2013, 11:34:16 AM
Nearly had a Chemistry room, have pictures of DNA and the noble gases printed out but went for flight instead (as picked up the Concorde key ring model)

On Shapeways, there were some tiny colour prints of DNA that, in N scale, would be the huge size model that got me interested in biochemistry when i was 16... it was on one of the Christmas lectures.

My wife bought me a Particle Zoo Higgs Boson plush toy for Christmas... instead of being filled with foam or kapok, he is filled with sand!  It could be the start of a very expensive collection!!!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 28, 2013, 11:48:09 AM
Nearly had a Chemistry room, have pictures of DNA and the noble gases printed out but went for flight instead (as picked up the Concorde key ring model)

On Shapeways, there were some tiny colour prints of DNA that, in N scale, would be the huge size model that got me interested in biochemistry when i was 16... it was on one of the Christmas lectures.

My wife bought me a Particle Zoo Higgs Boson plush toy for Christmas... instead of being filled with foam or kapok, he is filled with sand!  It could be the start of a very expensive collection!!!

I love the Christmas lectures - they are still going strong on the TV but have been reduced down from 5 programmes. Always record them when I'm at work.

I suppose the Higgs Boson is made of sand because it is such a heavy particle. I've been tempted by those toys - would probably chose the Charm anti-quark or the Gluon, which is quite funky. It is a pity that the Positron is such a boring grey colour.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 28, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
Catastrophe  :( The rainbow LEDs on the top floor failed so had to take the whole building apart to fix. In the end decided to back light the room with a strip of LEDs (similar to the Light Show Room). The rainbow lights were great when they were changing slowly but every now and again they went onto strobe like mode which was not pleasant - so blessing in disguise that they failed.

This is the ground floor. The building was meant to be a department store and it had a structure to fit between the ground and first floors. I didn't want to use this so put a strip of left-over image along the floor to replicate something that I saw in the Tate Modern once (and to cover the holes where the structure would go). Also created a door mat with my last remnants of the automotive tape, so that I could stick the peeps to it. Really hard job getting the peeps to stick to the floor with glue.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5248.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5248)

After taking this picture noticed that the peeps were falling over - again. I was using a reel of double-sided white foam tape  :unimpressed: (from the 99p shop) and this is false economy I'm afraid - and when cutting it with scissors it leaves gunk over the scissor blades. The automotive tape that Justintime recommended is vastly superior.

So had to dismantle - again!

Building is now finished  :sweat:

 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on May 28, 2013, 10:38:11 PM
Hi  Jane, 

Glad you managed to sort the rainbow lighting   & get the building finished  :) 

With the peeps   if  your   eyes are up to it  &   your hand steady enough try  drilling  carefully   into  the peeps  heel into the lower leg  &   inserting a short length 0.20  of  brass  wire  with a drop   of  CA     glue,   decide the location  of the peeps &   drill into the base trim the  wire to length  & again a   tiny drop   of  CA  gives more strenth  to  the mounting   of peeps   ;)

If you want to try it let me know & i'll  send you some  0.20   wire 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 29, 2013, 07:19:49 AM
Thanks Nick, I'll try that - the legs on the cheapo peeps that I get from China are very thin so will need a very steady hand  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Mustermark on May 29, 2013, 11:36:08 AM
try  drilling  carefully   into  the peeps  heel into the lower leg

 :o :worried: :confused1:

That's a steady hand you have there upnick!

i use a tiny blob of tacky glue.  it sets quite quickly and is removable if you decide to reposition them.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on May 29, 2013, 11:59:33 AM
An alternative could be to try one of those thin rods, that are in the pack of shapes we all got from ebay, and glue the feet to a short length of the rod.  Drill a hole in the floor and pop the rod in with a touch of glue  ;)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-x-Styrene-ABS-Rod-Pipes-and-Square-Sections-ABS00-/160550503742?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item25618e453e (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-x-Styrene-ABS-Rod-Pipes-and-Square-Sections-ABS00-/160550503742?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item25618e453e)

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 29, 2013, 12:30:15 PM
try  drilling  carefully   into  the peeps  heel into the lower leg

 :o :worried: :confused1:

That's a steady hand you have there upnick!

i use a tiny blob of tacky glue.  it sets quite quickly and is removable if you decide to reposition them.

I have some tacky glue so will try this option :thumbsup:. I have some of the automotive tape on order - this also works well for sticking peeps and furniture and creates quite a nice floor. With the number of peeps, I'm putting into the buildings, I'm looking for the easiest route.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Mustermark on May 29, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
Maybe I have this wrong... but if you use double sided tape (if that is what the automotive tape is) won't it gather hairs and bits on it and be difficult to keep nice???
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 29, 2013, 06:46:21 PM
I'm hoping that it won't gather bits of hair, etc when it is inside the buildings :whistle: When I use the tape, I leave it till the last possible minute before taking the top off and then adding the peeps.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on May 29, 2013, 08:09:44 PM
try  drilling  carefully   into  the peeps  heel into the lower leg

 :o :worried: :confused1:

That's a steady hand you have there upnick!

i use a tiny blob of tacky glue.  it sets quite quickly and is removable if you decide to reposition them.

Hi  Mark  yes it is a while since  i  drilled figures like this but it can be done  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on May 31, 2013, 09:37:16 PM
I really enjoy making Sankei kits - I think  :-

I want to replace the station car park with a two storey car park (to save space). The Sankei kit fitted the bill. I use specks of Roket card glue applied with a cocktail stick - it seems to set in a nano-second when working with these kits.

These are the parts

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5284.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5284)

and the instructions. Some bits of this are very difficult to follow, the diagrams are small and even using magnifier it is difficult to see how some of it fits together. Plus there are some yellow and white lines which need cutting - guess what they are for  :(  - yup, the white lines and it took me several attempts to get them cut to my satisfaction.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5285.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5285)

The car park (some detailing required and also cars to be added) I used a strip of warm white LEDs to give that horrid glow that some car-parks have. Also used two lamp posts to give lighting to the top-floor. I might raise them up a bit. I will reassess when the cars and peeps are added

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5286.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5286)

Sometime ago I made the Opticians building - and made a bit of a hash of it. Have remade it and also used automotive film to give the darkened shiny windows. I lit the ground floor but the film is very effective at blocking the light! This might become a building of ill-repute - haven't quite decided yet . . .

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5287.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5287)







Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on May 31, 2013, 09:51:48 PM
I think you have the lighting spot on for the lower level  :thumbsup:

I would think an additional light to illuminate the ramp would be useful  ;)

As for your idea for the opticians, how about a back packers motel?

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 01, 2013, 01:53:12 AM
You're right about the lighting in car parks - now when I think about it, it is horrible, isn't it. A sort of vomit-coloured snotty yellow light. But as John says, you've certainly captured it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on June 01, 2013, 02:28:21 AM
I think the Car Park looks perfect.

Very impressed by the model itself. Have been looking at the Sankei range for some kitbashing ideas. If they are as good as your photo I think I'll try some. I know plaza=japan does them, but have also found this site http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljlist?Word=Sankei&DisplayMode=images&Dis=2&Sort=std&qid=CTDGIR4T796&set=1&q=1&Scale2=150&z=Scale2&releaseYear=2009 (http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljlist?Word=Sankei&DisplayMode=images&Dis=2&Sort=std&qid=CTDGIR4T796&set=1&q=1&Scale2=150&z=Scale2&releaseYear=2009). Some of it appears to be a few dollars  cheaper, and PP is very reasonable.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 01, 2013, 08:14:17 AM
I was umming and ahhing about whether to add another light or two to the top floor  - may well do it. Pure laziness on my part  ::) (and also trying to avoid the spaghetti of wires under the building) were the reasons why I didn't do it.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 01, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Hi  Jane,   

I agree with others the lighting is  perfect  &  as Colin  says  the  Sankei  kits look  good for some kitbashing  if  i   can  get  them to fit into  my  U.S.  era   Plaza Japan  may  receive   an order   ;)

To  save  spaghetti   & neaten things up  wit your wiring once the  SMD  is  soldered   up   make sure both wire ends are the same length &  put them   in  a   pin  vice or  craft knife  handle tighten  up   &   making sure the wires are  gently taught  holding firmly   below your soldered joins  twist it tightly  working  carefully right up to  the soldered joins   test  it's working  ok  &   carry on  with nice neat  dual wire,  i  use the  TCS  30  gauge  decoder  wire for tis &  it works a treat slightly less than   1mm  after  twisting  :)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 01, 2013, 11:09:02 AM
Thanks Nick - a good piece of advice :thumbsup: It is mainly where the lights are connected in series under the building that I get the spag. If it was inside a building, I could cover it with a ceiling or floor but on this building there are wires running between the lamps
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: IanUK on June 01, 2013, 02:54:21 PM
Your buildings and lighting are inspirational to us newbies, just wish I had that much imagination.

We need a Pengi guide to lighting.

Keep it coming I love this thread.

Ian.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 01, 2013, 08:16:20 PM
Ordered  a  Sankei   kit  looking forward to seeing what it's like

http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo (http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on June 01, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Ordered  a  Sankei   kit  looking forward to seeing what it's like

[url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url] ([url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url])


Hopefully like the picture on the webpage  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  >:D
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on June 01, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
This might become a building of ill-repute - haven't quite decided yet . . .

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5287.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5287[/url])


Lawrence tells me you'll need warm red LED's for that :worried:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: davieb on June 01, 2013, 08:30:46 PM
Will you be calling it "The Rising Sun"  :)

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 01, 2013, 08:48:34 PM
Ordered  a  Sankei   kit  looking forward to seeing what it's like

[url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url] ([url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url])


That looks a nice kit.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 01, 2013, 11:13:05 PM
Ordered  a  Sankei   kit  looking forward to seeing what it's like

[url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url] ([url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url])


Hopefully like the picture on the webpage  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  >:D
 

Yes John  ordered the station  C  soon  as the order went through it was out of stock so hopefully i  got the last one  :claphappy:


Ordered  a  Sankei   kit  looking forward to seeing what it's like

[url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url] ([url]http://www.hlj.com/product/SKE84345/Boo[/url])


That looks a nice kit.


Sure does look a nice kit Jane  if any of the  Japanese plastic kit standards are to go by  in  paper it will  be  superb.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on June 02, 2013, 01:25:06 AM
Bugger - Looks like you beat  me to it. :veryangry:

Was going to order D and C as thought about Station C for a Barn type structure I have in my head. Now gone for Sation E (Diner), plus another couple of bits. Let you know when they arrive.

Do like the private warehouse facility for OOS items - very good. Will add link and comments to ONLINE SHOPS. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14284.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14284.0)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 02, 2013, 11:03:29 AM
Bugger - Looks like you beat  me to it. :veryangry:

Was going to order D and C as thought about Station C for a Barn type structure I have in my head. Now gone for Sation E (Diner), plus another couple of bits. Let you know when they arrive.

Do like the private warehouse facility for OOS items - very good. Will add link and comments to ONLINE SHOPS. [url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14284.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14284.0[/url])


Hi  Colin,   

 :sorrysign:  if i   beat you to the station i  was debating between  stations  C & D the D   having  a bit more interest with the extra section  of building to the left,   maybe we could start another   Sankei   structure kitbash / building thread    ???

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/toot-smiley-face.gif) (http://emoticoner.com)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Brinley on June 19, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
Pengi, You are an inspiration to me. Thank you! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 19, 2013, 01:51:31 PM
Thanks! I've started work on the Kato 5th Avenue building which will become a cinema.

I'm broadly copying Quinntopia's work on this building (which was the inspiration for me getting into N gauge and lighting buildings)

http://www.quinntopia.com/2012/01/kato-5th-avenue-building-modifications.html (http://www.quinntopia.com/2012/01/kato-5th-avenue-building-modifications.html)

First decision was whether to add individual SMDs to light the advertising posters or to chop great holes out of the building and light them from behind with a long pre-wired strip of LEDs :hmmm:

I've never chopped big holes in an expensive building (it was second hand but still expensive) before but had soldered individual SMDs. So it was an easy choice . . .

. . . I chopped holes in the building as I though it would be easier than wiring up the individual SMDs. So armed with a newly acquired razor saw, there are now two big holes in the building (where Quinntopia has his posters). The innards of the building have been painted black and I'm applying the paint to the outside at the moment. I've test fit a couple of posters and am satisfied with the result

The only potential problem with this approach is that the individual floors may interfere with the flow of light - so might have to chop them about a bit too!

Pictures to follow in due course


Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 19, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
Look   forward  to seeing the pictures Jane   ;)   

Sounds an  interesting project 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 19, 2013, 08:55:35 PM
Here's the building with the holes cut out, two coats of black paint inside for light-proofing and the exterior top-coats being applied. The hole in the curved part of the building was easier than the hole on the flat part.

The building was missing a set of windows but I can replace them with automotive film to give a smoked glass effect. There will not be many interiors to do on this building - thank goodness.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5569.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5569)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on June 19, 2013, 09:24:44 PM
Looking forward to seeing this one all lit up, Pengi!

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 19, 2013, 11:51:09 PM
Whoo... them's BIG holes. Not sure I'd have had the courage  :admiration:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 20, 2013, 10:42:41 AM
The building with the floors installed. Need to cut bits out of the floors to allow sufficient space for the lighting

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5590.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5590)

A section of the floor is removed with a razor saw

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5591.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5591)

The building with the cut floors fitted

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5589.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5589)

The problem with the smaller hole is that there are posts on the floors to support the floor above - so couldn't get quite as close to the edge as I wanted

Next decision is whether one strip of lights will be sufficient to light both hoarding + the stairwells and the small window on the top floor. Need darkness to test this out
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 27, 2013, 07:18:46 PM
This building is almost completed. Chose a Star Wars theme because the films are pretty much timeless (and also because the Empire Strikes Back is one of my favourite films)

This is a picture of the floors with the LED strips installed. The strip of 3 is for the smaller sign whilst there is a strip of 6 for the larger sign. There is a strip of 9 on the right hand side that lights the staircases. I had to cut holes in each floor so as I could thread the strip through. There is a strip of 3 on the top ceiling (not shown). With the lighting of the entrance and the 2nd floor I had to solder two strips of 3 together (with a very short length of wire) so I could 'angle' them to fit the building. There is actually a floor missing on this picture   :-[ - good job I'd not soldered anything at this point.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5725.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5725)

The really hard part was fitting the building back together :worried: The stairs section (which is lying flat) has to fit in the recesses on the right of each floor once the floors are in place. It is all a very tight fit and I tried gluing the floors together and then had to separate them etc.

This is the building by day

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5729.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5729)

and by dusk

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5726.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5726)

the entrance

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5728.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5728)

The sign across the door was made by printing a mirror image of the logo onto clear waterslide transfer paper and then 'sticking' it to the inside window (so it shows the right way). I used Microset to aid the process. I needed to add two more images to get the colour depth that I wanted.

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on June 27, 2013, 07:29:26 PM
Up to your usual very high standards, Pengi.  ;)

Excellent modelling/kit bashing!

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on June 27, 2013, 07:30:12 PM
An excellent addition to your illuminated collection  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on June 27, 2013, 07:36:34 PM
Really nice conversion Jane, don't the led strips make life so much easier though  :D
Only comment I would make is, in the dusk shot, the stairwell lighting is spot on but the others look too bright, the main screen is washed out losing a lot of detail and the entrance lighting is radiating a lot of light, perhaps pop another resistor in the line and see what effect it has.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Newportnobby on June 27, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Superb! The Empire Strikes Back :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 27, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Thanks for the comments - really helpful.  :thankyousign:

It is my bad photography that has caused the burn-out on the main poster as I had left the camera on auto exposure setting. I find it hard trying to get the right exposure with these lights - particularly if they are mixtures of colour temperatures. I am also too lazy to use the tripod (which is why some of the poster is out of focus)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5732.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5732)

I'll have another look at the light bleed from the front entrance though - I wanted a certain amount to simulate a lighted entrance but now you have pointed it out, there is probably a tad too much  :thankyousign:

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 27, 2013, 09:25:11 PM
Excellent lighting again Jane as Lawrence says the strip  is a lot better than  individual   LED's   .....  i   have  gone back  to some buildings &   stripped them  of  individual   LED's  replacing with  strip   lights.

Experimenting with   resistors  should give you the effect your looking for  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 27, 2013, 10:02:39 PM
I've been on a real journey with this lighting. Firstly buying strips of 3 from UK, then being miffed to find I could get them cheaper from China. Then soldering the individual SMDs (which is necessary for certain buildings) and then going back to the ease of the strips.

Buying the roll of 300 for about 6 was something I wish I'd known about at the start - these work out at about 6p per strip of 3, some different to the 2 a strip that some uk companies charge  :o And I also have the option of using longer strips. 
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 27, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
Astonishing work, Jane. Go to the top of the class! (Sorry.... once a teacher, always a teacher, I guess  :worried:). You are the LED magician!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on June 28, 2013, 01:37:13 AM
I agree, using the strips is so much easier. It is possible to use individual Leds from the strips with some careful soldering, but easier than using SMD LEDs on their own. Hopefully will complete the tutorial about this by the weekend.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 28, 2013, 01:49:34 AM
And you, sir are yet another LED magician. Love the new avatar!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 28, 2013, 05:35:56 AM
I agree, using the strips is so much easier. It is possible to use individual Leds from the strips with some careful soldering, but easier than using SMD LEDs on their own. Hopefully will complete the tutorial about this by the weekend.

Looking forward to this and your avatar is terrific 8)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 29, 2013, 07:12:50 AM
I've modified the lighting and this was a bit of a balancing job - needed to tone down some of the floors but keep the advertising screens and the stairwell bright. I've added a resistor to the top floor (which was way too bright) and the ground floor I want to keep some light-spill from the entrance though. I am going to add a red flashing light to the roof and also think that it needs a lighted sign on the roof  - easiest way will be to build a false roof and use LED strips

Still not quite got the camera exposures right - the main screen looks a bit burnt out but it is fine 'in the plastic' - so to speak

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5758.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5758)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 29, 2013, 07:18:44 AM
Looks great to me Jane - a masterpiece.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on June 29, 2013, 07:39:26 AM
First rate job.  :thumbsup:

Could be that the camera's meter is struggling to get a balanced exposure.

Try adding just a *little* ambient light around the model (e.g.street light?) and that may give you a better overall balance with your pics.

Really brilliant stuff, Pengi

Dave G

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 29, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Thanks - it is more a question of me struggling to get a balanced exposure as metering on manual for night shots :worried: I ought to use the tripod, but too lazy!

At the moment the pictures of all of these buildings are taken on my workbench. Once I've worked out where the buildings are going, then there will be street lights etc added. I'm at Canary Wharf later on this week late afternoon/evening so can have a good look at what sort of lights there are.

Still got loads of buildings to do yet  :( Next up is either another Kato office block or a row of Tomix bow fronted buildings. The Tomix buildings already have the interiors (as did them before) but they need a lot of light-proofing  :thumbsdown: Also going to combine them into a higher rise building.

Tomix buildings are much cheaper than Kato - the build quality is not quite as good though, IMHO, and sometimes they warp (has been reported by others)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 29, 2013, 11:56:01 PM
Wonder what causes the warping... LEDs run cool, so it must be the type of plastic. I suppose the wiring will give off a little heat, though I suppose, but I should have thought it to be negligible. Obviously why they are cheaper, I guess.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on June 30, 2013, 12:23:12 AM
I use a variety of paper to diffuse the flash on my camera.
From cigarette rolling paper to greaseproof paper, you could also try sanding a piece of plastic from a 2ltr drinks bottle, it is just a matter of trial and error.  I have always struggled with artificial lighting when taking photos indoors, it is not the easiest thing to get right.

I can only try to imagine what St. Clements is going to look like the next time we see some photos  :goggleeyes:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 30, 2013, 06:44:42 AM
Wonder what causes the warping... LEDs run cool, so it must be the type of plastic. I suppose the wiring will give off a little heat, though I suppose, but I should have thought it to be negligible. Obviously why they are cheaper, I guess.


I think it is to do with the way the kits are made, I spent an absolute age trying to get the bits on the Tomix bank to fit properly and then had to resort to milliput and the whole thing because a mess. I also have a house where the edges don't fit flush to the base. Luckily it is at the back of the building . . .
Don't have the same issues with Kato - but they are more expensive :ouch:

Here's a couple of quotes about it

http://www.quinntopia.com/2009/11/tomytec-and-tomix-buildings.html (http://www.quinntopia.com/2009/11/tomytec-and-tomix-buildings.html)

http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthread.php?15289-A-Couple-of-Tomytec-Buildings (http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthread.php?15289-A-Couple-of-Tomytec-Buildings)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 30, 2013, 07:17:46 AM
I can see why you're such a fan of that Quinntopia dude - his work is good. But I hope he knows he has competition!!  :beers:

George
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 30, 2013, 07:29:12 AM
I can see why you're such a fan of that Quinntopia dude - his work is good. But I hope he knows he has competition!!  :beers:

George

Just about all of my building work has been inspired by Quinntopia and also by The Great Scaper

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=167033 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=167033)

Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 30, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
Whohoa. They are scary links, especially the last one. Until joining this forum, I never really thought about modelling skyscrapers. Rod Stewart does.... he models American HO and has these huge 3 foot tall buildings on his layout. Guess he has the money. His layout featured in the Dec issue of Model Railroader mag a year or so ago.

Those MacDonald's shots in the second link were especially spooky to me, though... I stay in a high rise hotel in the centre of Sydney quite regularly, and it overlooks a Maccas on the corner of George Street (the main street through the CBD) which is a major late night/early morning trouble spot. One of the shots was from an angle I look down on the outlet from the hotel. There have been a lot of serious assaults on that corner this year.

Still it's great modelling.... certainly captures the warts 'n orl of a big city.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 30, 2013, 11:56:25 AM
I personally  hate Rod Stewart   :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: his layout  extends to   124ft X 24ft  on one floor of his home,   he doesnt do the track work   &   wiring but does take his  model railroad kits with him on  tour &  requests as table to make tyhem on in his hotel   rooms.

The guys who look after his house / do the track work   know he has been home if a new structure has appeared without seeing him.   :claphappy:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on June 30, 2013, 12:12:32 PM
Yeah... I gathered that from that article in MR. Nice token photo of him making a house taken by his missus. He might go back to his hotel and make a house some days, but I still like to think that Rod the Mod is a soccer playing party animal.....  ;D
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Lawrence on June 30, 2013, 04:47:39 PM
I think the adjustments you have made make a big improvement Jane, looks well balanced now  :thumbsup: I was looking at the sign on the roof and wondered if it could be illuminated with leds used as footlights set into little foil lined holders to shine on the sign.  Not that I am trying to give you any more work you understand  ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 30, 2013, 05:20:09 PM
I think the adjustments you have made make a big improvement Jane, looks well balanced now  :thumbsup: I was looking at the sign on the roof and wondered if it could be illuminated with leds used as footlights set into little foil lined holders to shine on the sign.  Not that I am trying to give you any more work you understand  ;)


Need to find a way to wire  0442   SMD's Lawrence to do that  ...........   mind Jane  has managed to solder  wires to an  0442   SMD  all  the ones  i  tried   disappeared   :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 30, 2013, 05:41:45 PM
Thanks Lawrence - that is definitely a possibility  :thumbsup: Another is to cut another hole into the building - i considered doing that when I was hacking into the building. The building has indentations to simulate panels (?) on the surface and so I was able to use those to get straight cuts. Cutting the hole at the top would have meant I had no indentations to guide me across a curved surface - so abandoned the idea.

I'm going to leave that building for a while while I ponder the options - sometimes when I have a break, I can get some inspiration.

P.S. I do want to make some footlights for the church and possibly a sculpture for the office park, so thanks for the idea of using foil - may need to ensure the connections are insulated from the foil?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on June 30, 2013, 06:02:45 PM
Pengi, how about tiny acrylic/plastic mirrors as the boxes for the flood lights? Safer than foil if it'd work.

I got an interesting result by doing a google on 1cm plastic mirrors. Got an Amazon website:

Square Mirrors x 8 (1cm)  by Sendmeamirror  1.99

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 30, 2013, 07:42:35 PM


I'm going to leave that building for a while while I ponder the options - sometimes when I have a break, I can get some inspiration.

P.S. I do want to make some footlights for the church and possibly a sculpture for the office park, so thanks for the idea of using foil - may need to ensure the connections are insulated from the foil?

I agree Jane a break away from things can inspire more  once you step  back  & look  at it differently,   as to  insulation  on  connections  CA   glue is  your friend it  will  stick  to anything   & provides a very thin  film that wont come off unless you determinedly  remove it apply it  sparingly  the thin type of CA   is better if possible   so it  flows around the  wire etc  allow it to go   off  & paint  if required. ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 30, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
My next project is the Tomix Bow Fronted buildings.

I bought some of these and made some rudimentary interiors as was not planning to light them  :-[

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=3678.msg56875#msg56875 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=3678.msg56875#msg56875)

This is how the building look as Tomix intended. The block on the left has 3 separate floors but Tomix have glued them together and stuck the front on - can't easily separate them at all  :(

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5777.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5777)

although Tomix say they can be combined into a single block

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5780.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5780)

but this doesn't quite look right, with the mix of three different types of floors

So it is razor saw time again to chop off the bottom floor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5778.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5778)

I can now combine all of the pieces (bar the floor that I have chopped off) to give a row of offices. The offices on the left have much higher floors so need to think what types of building have high ceilings. The floors are only roughly put together just to see what is possible.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/thumb_5779.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5779)

an alternative would be to chop the bottom floor off the middle building and combine the parts with the right hand building to give a much taller single office block. This could be easier to light (run a long strip of LEDs down the middle) but it may be too tall in relation to the other buildings.

Both Quinntopia and Scaper have mixed all types of floor more successfully in their towers (there are details in the links I gave in an earlier post)



Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on June 30, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
For the building on the left, what about New York style studio apartments?

They (usually) have high ceilings.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on June 30, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
Plenty of options to go at there Jane   ;)       

Have you seen  or had the overhead railway station  (i  presume the track  runs over the building ) 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=tomix+station&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=tomix+overhead+station&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=tomix+station&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=tomix+overhead+station&_sacat=0)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on June 30, 2013, 10:39:12 PM
Not seen those at all and they look interesting -  :thankyousign:  I've recently acquired the Vollmer 7500 station kit (which is intended to be the last building that I purchase . . . )
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on July 01, 2013, 12:23:10 AM
Your welcome   ;)   

I was thinking of using  to create a  duel   level  on my  American   layout to add   more track   in  less space &  the ticket  barriers  could  be further  inside the building  if  its  posssible  to make the  whole building deeper.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on July 01, 2013, 06:05:58 AM
I love travelling on the DLR and aim to get a seat at the front - and then I become a small child again  ;D I've been thinking of introducing an elevated light railway so that station could be useful.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 01, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
Without going back through the thread and looking totally stupid, what's the DLR? Something Light Railway, I presume?
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on July 01, 2013, 11:02:59 AM
Docklands Light Railway

www.dlrlondon.com (http://www.dlrlondon.com)

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on July 01, 2013, 11:04:32 AM
And well worth a visit, if you get time. The great thing is that they are driverless so you can sit at the front and get a drivers eye view.

Canary Wharf to Limehouse on Docklands Light Railway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGxt6E3-6Bo#ws)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on July 01, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
Could this be your next evolutionary step Pengi?  :hmmm:

Scale Model Animation - Building Animation 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty-mT7HK-Xo#)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 01, 2013, 12:03:04 PM
Ah... the Docklands LR. Thanks for that video, Pengi. It was taken at an interesting time of day. Like, the dusk, and you can actually see the sky gettin' darker. Lights on trains and stations look good, too.

I assume that line is well used?

Reason I ask that is that the Sydney monorail ran it's last train yesterday. It was opened in 1988 (I was a young dad with 2 kids and remember the ballyhoo), and never was a money earner. In fact it quickly became one of those stuff-ups that we all seem to make every now and again. I know for a fact that when I have been on foot in Sydney (only a few months ago) in the narrow canyon streets and the monorail would come rattling overhead, it was both noisy and a nuisance. Not to mention ugly. The pylons and rails through the city were downright horrible.

So, it is going to be dismantled at a cost of some $10 million or so and scrapped. I believe a 10 metre section with a train on it will be on show somewhere. Interestingly, when I was on my last trip to Tasmania in 2012, there was some interest from the Tasmanian Government in buying it and installing it in Hobart.

I guess they woke up. :D

But, like it or love it, it was part of Sydney for 25 years.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 01, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Option for creating floodlights would be  painting some 3mm leds on one side only. Would give you a directional beam of sorts

Have toyed with this idea before. Have a look. 
The videos are not very good, but basically this is one of the 7 flashing colour leds dipped in silver paint and left to dry before scrapping a small portion clear.
As you can see there is no light spillage from the rear only from the small front "cleared" spot.

http://youtu.be/tMIcyPnsx8U (http://youtu.be/tMIcyPnsx8U)

The lights appear to dance purely due to the led's nature.

Colin
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 01, 2013, 12:50:54 PM
Hey Colin,

I'm just about to turn in but that is pretty cool. So you just painted out the LED except for the bit at the front? The effects are amazing....you are achieving disco effects in N scale!

 :thumbsup: Full thumbs up, mate.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 01, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Disco effect is right - we were looking at creating a "stage lighting" effect for a concert diorama.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 01, 2013, 01:07:20 PM
Think you've got it, for sure. Need to paint a little N scale figure into a white suit, chop arm off and re-glue up in air, and Hey! Saturday Night Fever!

Some of those interesting road signs you have over there would look good lit like that!  ;D
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on July 01, 2013, 01:29:24 PM
Bealman - the DLR is a bit of a success story and it has been extended several times with more proposals for extension being considered.

TDU - love the disco effect, a concert diorama is a terrific idea

Scotsoft - I think having the different floors lighting up at different times is a bridge too far for me :( . It has given me an idea for a science lab somewhere :thankyousign:  - don't know why I didn't think of it, used to work in them. The colour changing lights in the building also go into the 'strobe' effect that I found with the ones I tried.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 02, 2013, 01:00:31 AM
The video of the office block is very good.

The lights going on and off in various floors shouldn't be too hard to achieve with the appropriate IC (something like a 555) and it something that is on the drawing board. I am waiting for a new PIC programmer so that I can start the next range of projects.

A more steady type of flasing LED is being sourced, but building your own is quite simple. I am working on a circuit for something at the moment and may have an idea sorted by the end of the week. The hard part will then be reducing it to a simple kit.

For a recently viewed open air concert in N see next post. This was made by the SA N gauge society and features working video screens
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 02, 2013, 01:20:41 AM
LED flasher kits available here:

http://www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm (http://www.kitstop.com.au/page6.htm)

Those concert pics look good, TDU, but I need a magnifying glass! No matter what I try, I can't make 'em bigger!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 02, 2013, 02:48:46 AM
Have reloaded photos see here

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
http://youtu.be/l3YgQyX61Eg (http://youtu.be/l3YgQyX61Eg)

Those kits are at a good price. Can't match that as a built item. For most the other kits that use ICs the trick is all in the IC prg - something I have just started to get involved in and hopefully will be able to produce bits for here.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on July 02, 2013, 06:48:12 AM
That is a terrific piece of modelling - thanks for posting
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on July 02, 2013, 08:20:32 AM
Amazing!

 :greatpicturessign:

Dave G
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Post by: Bealman on July 02, 2013, 10:41:34 AM
I am having trouble getting the video to run at the moment, so I am maybe commenting above my head. Are the screens OLEDs or shields running from Arduino?

But it looks great! I have always been into cameos on layouts, but this takes things to a new level. Almost on a par with that huge thing in Hamburg (which I hope to visit on my upcoming Frodo adventure).
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 03, 2013, 12:35:08 AM
Not sure on the screens used, you would need to speak to one of the club members or maybe enquire via their web site. http://www.sangs.asn.au/sangs/index.php (http://www.sangs.asn.au/sangs/index.php).
More pics there of their other club layouts.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Gooner1953 on July 06, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
That's just brilliant! It never ceases to amaze me the way that forum members keep coming up with new ideas...
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 09, 2013, 04:53:48 AM
As promised have found some "slow" colour changing LEDS. These do not go into a flash mode, but just maintains the steady coulor changes.

You will notice from the colours shown on the "roof" reflection that different colours combine and so emit a different "spotlight" angle at the top. Haven't had chance to look at ways of using this, but will do (Another job on the white board)

These were from http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130800070235?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130800070235?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649) Cost about 1 for 12.

http://youtu.be/ya0IuuR-ee4 (http://youtu.be/ya0IuuR-ee4)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 09, 2013, 06:32:33 AM
Once again, another useful posting. Cheers! So these LEDs don't jump to strobe mode. Very useful. Thanks for the link! Looking at the pic (unfortunately I'm getting 'This video is private', so it's just a pic at moment), those slates or tiles you are projecting onto remind me of the light show they do on the Sydney Opera House every now and again (I believe ex-Roxy Music Brian Eno is usually involved in that)..... N gauge Sydney Opera house, here we come!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on July 09, 2013, 07:19:00 AM
Thanks TDU - useful :thumbsup:

Also getting the 'this Video is private' message :(
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Post by: Sprintex on July 09, 2013, 07:23:25 AM
Eagerly awaiting video permissions to be changed :)


Paul
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 09, 2013, 10:04:54 AM
try now folks - no idea what happened
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on July 09, 2013, 10:05:26 AM
Thanks - the lights look really good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on July 09, 2013, 11:10:18 AM
Very subtle  light changing Colin  thanks for posting the link    ;)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on July 11, 2013, 12:05:05 AM
Yep, working well now. I always find it amazing that for nigh on twenty odd years or so, all we were stuck with were not very bright red, green, orange and yellow LEDs then all of a sudden,along came blue ones and the flood gates opened - and now we have amazing devices such as the one in your video!

Fascinating stuff. Cheers, Colin!  :beers:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on July 11, 2013, 07:29:12 PM
Got some ordered & on the way  Colin  cheers once again  on the heads up   ;)

As promised have found some "slow" colour changing LEDS. These do not go into a flash mode, but just maintains the steady coulor changes.

You will notice from the colours shown on the "roof" reflection that different colours combine and so emit a different "spotlight" angle at the top. Haven't had chance to look at ways of using this, but will do (Another job on the white board)

These were from [url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130800070235?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130800070235?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url]) Cost about 1 for 12.

[url]http://youtu.be/ya0IuuR-ee4[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/ya0IuuR-ee4[/url])
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on August 26, 2013, 02:22:01 PM
Accidentally got some glue on a plastic window. I sanded the window down with wet & dry and then polished it with metal polish. Worked a treat in rescuing the window  :)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on August 26, 2013, 03:43:04 PM
Accidentally got some glue on a plastic window. I sanded the window down with wet & dry and then polished it with metal polish. Worked a treat in rescuing the window  :)

Toothpaste is another good option for polishing  ;)

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on August 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
T - cut   works well   for getting out  deeper   scratches
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on October 05, 2013, 07:23:21 PM
Have now more or less completed the conversion of the Tomix Bow Fronted Buildings into a Laboratory Block. Reply #291 is how the buildings started out. I have been learning to air-brush and whilst I got a nice finish on the buildings when I stuck bits on and stuck the floors together etc the nice finish disappeared somewhat  :(

Originally, I thought I could light the building with strips of LEDs that went though each of the blocks. The windows at the back and side of the building, I cover with white Crafty Computer decal paper on the inside - gives an ok finish and saves time.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/thumb_7285.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7285)

This didn't work in practice because of the difficulties in getting the windows in, putting the floors (there were none in this building), etc

So my approach was to make a floor half of the width and had a false 'wall' at the back. An image of a lab and a corridor in posted to the false 'wall'. I was then able to pass all of the wires down the back. I soldered each of the strips of 3 LEDs together.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/thumb_7284.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7284)

Here's the building lit up. There is a red flashing LED on the roof but the shutter on the camera just missed it. I chose a lab because I have worked in them over the years and the company, Lundbeck, because the starfish logo is quite striking. I don't know if they have the Danish flag on the windows but I remember seeing a building with a flag on the ground floor windows - it also has a bonus of hiding the interiors a bit. The signs on the doors were done by printing the image, in reverse, onto clear Crafty computer decal paper. I later found that by using Microset/sol you can stick the 'wrong' side of the transfer to the door/window ok

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/thumb_7281.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7281)

Some of the floors

One of the boss's offices. This was just an image of an office from the web with some curtains at the front to give a sense of depth. I am hoping to show that by using images from the web etc, you don't need model much of the interiors to get a reasonable effect.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/thumb_7280.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7280)

A presentation suite, again done in the same way as above except that the folding partition, which is just some lines printed onto paper, is a bit further back

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_7279.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7279)

Another lab - the quality of the figures from China can be random, but I was glad to have some that were white so they became scientists

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_7278.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7278)  

The Tomix building had floors like these which I have fitted together. I used to work for a boss who was always going on about his imposing office and how it had a balcony and how it used to make anyone that was in the office feel intimidated, so I added a fence and made a small balcony on these floors - unfortunately they are coming unstuck a bit. This room was an image of an office suite. There are two frosted glass panels with the Lundbeck sign. These were made from parts of a plastic milk carton with the sign stick on

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_7277.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7277)

The top floor of this block is a restaurant - made as above.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/thumb_7276.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7276)

This block has a walled garden on the roof - the adjacent block has an impression of solar panels. The panels were made by painting Plasticard dark blue and then using a sharp pointed device to 'etch' the panel edges and the individual panels. The cover with varnish - this has the effect of losing some of the definition of the panels though

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/thumb_7282.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7282)

This roof has solar panels and the impression of the satellite dishes, masts etc on the roof and the mass of cables that go round the edges. There is a building close to where I live that has something like this. Have decided that I don't like scratch building anything. I used these  screw cover caps  (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816750436?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649) for the dishes but I could not get them as smooth as I wanted. I now have some caramel chocolates from Hotel Chocolat and the casing, cut down, will give a much better dish - some people use the clear plastic from the blister packs that pills come in. I will prefer to get the chockies :P

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/thumb_7283.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7283)


Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: scotsoft on October 05, 2013, 07:48:32 PM
You have put a lot off work into doing these buildings and no doubt you will have learned much from your excellent efforts  ;)

cheers John.
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Chris on October 06, 2013, 08:37:24 AM
Fantastic work, really inspirational stuff! :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Jerry Howlett on October 06, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
Impressive stuff there Pengi and this is coming from a devote cardite!

Jerry
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: JonHarbour on October 06, 2013, 12:42:09 PM
Love your work Pengi - it really is something to aspire to!
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: daveg on October 11, 2013, 03:48:09 PM
Wow!

First class stuff Pengi!  :claphappy:

Dave G
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on October 17, 2013, 11:21:07 AM
Fabulous detailing  Pengi  given  me a   lot of  ideas   ;) :)
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: mereman on October 17, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
Wow and I'm still fighting to get my buildings square  :D
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Bealman on October 19, 2013, 07:58:27 AM
Hadn't checked this since I got back and was starting to wonder what you were up to.

I needn't have worried - awesome, as always!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: Pengi on October 19, 2013, 08:12:58 AM
Struggling to find time for railway work at the moment :(
Title: Re: My attempts at lighting buildings, Kato and Tomix and Sankei
Post by: upnick on October 25, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
Struggling to find time for railway work at the moment :(

Sure you'll   get back to it  soon  Jane  i  know the feeling  ...........     here  got a good few  1/24  truck  builds on  started another today   :smiley-laughing:
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